Learning from the UMC's mistakes

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  1. Ananias

    Ananias Well-Known Member Anglican

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    The current Methodist crack-up almost exactly mirrors the Episcopalian/ACNA split, and for exactly the same reasons. Like the orthodox Anglicans who separated from the wayward Episcopalian Church, orthodox Methodists now face loss of property and pensions, and vindictiveness from their own leadership even if they choose to stay. LGBTQ ideology is an essential doctrine for the liberals, and compliance is not optional (or won't be for much longer, at any rate).

    This is what I mean when I say that the LGBTQ ideology really is a different Gospel. This is not hyperbole or a right-wing fever-dream. Not only does does the liberal teaching directly contradict orthodox Scriptural teaching, it actively presents itself as a better, newer Gospel than the Bible itself. It is more "loving", more "inclusive", and (obviously) more in tune with modern notions of sexuality and self. It is a syncretic offshoot of historic Christianity, no different in principle than Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness, or many others.

    All of the Christian world is embroiled in this battle now; it's not simply a parochial matter for us Anglicans. Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, even Roman Catholics stand on the precipice as western churches leave the traditional faith for a more au courant one.

    This is a dark time. We must pray for a revival through the work of the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Is there a point to this latest rant?
     
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    Ananias Well-Known Member Anglican

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    There is, and you obviously missed it.
     
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    Invictus Well-Known Member

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    Nope. All I see are the usual assertions you make on other threads over and over again ad nauseum. You mentioned the Methodists but the only items specific to them deemed worthy of mention were “loss of property and pensions, and vindictiveness from their own leadership even if they choose to stay.” The “loss” was forced on no one, by no one, and the “vindictiveness” is anecdotal, absent some hard data. What remains is the usual “us-and-them” talking points. We get it: Jesus welcomed ‘sinners’, you don’t. At least we agree on something: one of us is indeed preaching ‘a different Gospel’.
     
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    bwallac2335 Well-Known Member

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    If you vote to separate from the UMC you get to keep your property at least. Not sure about the pensions though.
     
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    I regularly play pickleball at a church gym; it's a former UMC that went independent for now. Instead of being a part of the Global Methodist Church, the congregation voted to remain separate until they see how stable the GMC does. That, and there's also the matter of the financial burden; local churches under either of those two umbrellas must cough up thousands of dollars annually to support the parent organization and its donative mission. IIRC the "bill" for this particular congregation would have been between $15k and $20k.
     
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    Ananias Well-Known Member Anglican

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    Lots of Southern Baptist congregations are in the same boat. Apart from all the cultural nonsense going on, many SBC congregations feel that their contributions are being squandered by the Convention. Ditto many traditionalist Roman Catholic parishes. There's been some friction in the ACNA over cross-diocese provincial funding for things like outreach and church-planting over this issue as well -- finances are always a sore spot, especially these days when attendance is down, tithes are down, and prices are way up.
     
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    Mark G New Member

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    That's only until the end of this year.