What are your beliefs about the Blessed Virgin Mary?

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  1. Rev2104

    Rev2104 Active Member

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    That can be summed up to bad English translation. If you took the Greek writing and compared the words used for brothers of Christ it the same word we see used for cousins in the Greek Septuagint. So we can see it is a imprecise word to be translating as brothers. Now did he have cousins sure, and if the tradition is correct Joseph had children from a first wife who passed away so he would have brothers in that since.

    A lot of people look at there English bible and act like it feel out of the sky from God's hands. It is written in a exact moment in time, in a language very different than English from a oral tradition that existed before it. So it has to be read in light of Reason and Tradition.
     
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    I think you nail it right there.
    Mary obedience to God allowed the redemption of the world to happen. That is what makes her holy, makes her the New Eve.
     
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    JoeLaughon Active Member Anglican

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    She is clearly;
    -a Virgin at the birth of Christ
    -the Mother of God/Mater Dei/Theotokos
    -The greatest of all the saints
    -Worth of all honor

    She was probably;
    -Assumed into heaven

    She was possibly;
    -Perpetually a virgin

    She was not and is not;
    -Immaculately conceived
    -Sinless
    -Mediatrix/Co-Redemptrix
     
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    I would largely echo JoeLaughon's views, except I'd upgrade "perpetually a virgin" to probably and downgrade "assumed into heaven" to possibly. I am not awfully comfortable however with veneration of or devotions to saints in general but would see their role more as a good example to follow.
     
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    For those who think the perpetual virginity is more likely than the assumption, I am curious to hear your reasons as to why? I have no dog in the fight but I am curious.
     
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    I will have to admit that both the assumption/ dormition and the perpetual virginity are only based on old traditions. It was wide spread and a common belief. I believe them, So I would so say probably.
    What is the reason you side against that on either of those issues?
     
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    I would say the perpetual virginity is likely because it fits with a common practice at the time, a celibate marriage for devotional reasons connected with religious purity. On the other hand the assumption is...well I could almost say a matter of assumption! Asides from historical precedent, there is no evidence whatsoever. And something so important would surely have been recorded for us in the scriptures. Still, it might have happened I suppose.
     
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    theotokos

    full of grace

    role model for all Christians bearing Christ into the world
     
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    Thanks, that is great point. Did not think of the practices of the time.
     
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    Peter do you have some resources on the practice of celibate marriage? This to me was a bit of a stumbling block as the idea of a celibate marriage was a bit like a square circle or round rectangle.
     

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