the Israel of today

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    what about genocide?
     
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    is there. a genocide?
     
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    I proceed with some caution on this. Golda Meir, and many since have said there is no such thing as a Palestinian. This point is made very strongly by Noa Tishby in her book 'Israel'. This is based on the argument that there has never been a Palestinian State as such. On that basis, they would argue that there can be no genocide on the basis that there are no such people. Whilst that may be a slick argument, it is unlikely to carry much weight in the general assessment of the situation. Israel acknowledges that there have been civilian casualties in the assault on Gaza, which they would take to be collateral damage. It seems that most outside observers would regard the amount of civilian casualties to be unacceptably high. (The USA probably does not want to say too much on the subject less they be reminded of two cities in Japan in the 2nd World War).

    Rashid Khalidi recounts the story of the Palestinian people in his book 'The One Hundred Years War Against Palestine". Much of the material he provides is not new, but rather simply the forgotten memories. I found the movie "Lawrence of Arabia" on YouTube and rewatched it recently. The point I took about this is that we have known for a long time that the West has played badly in the Middle East, initially the British, The Germans, The Russians, and the USA, and probably also the UN (or through the UN). Every time they have argued they were there to help. Each time you look at it, if you ask the question 'Who' you realise they were there to help themselves. The Palestinians would argue that what is happening if not genocide is certainly genocidal, and there seems some evidence that it may be so.

    You cannot begin to understand any of this conflict without some reflection on History.