The "first openly gay baptism in the Greek Orthodox Church," by Archbishop Elpidophoros

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  1. anglican74

    anglican74 Well-Known Member Anglican

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    Lord have mercy....


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    I'll never see Orthodox icons the same way again

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    Maybe the church will take action over there.
     
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    Happy that the kids got christened. As for the couple.... well.... :loopy:

    Of course, nowadays one need not even say you're in a gay relationship. One of the non-uterus-bearing people could simply "identify" as a woman! :laugh: That would sort of make it a hetero relationship, wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

    The world is so mixed up right now, it's a wonder the earth doesn't fall off its axis and wobble out of the solar system.
     
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    With respect, what action could they possibly take?
    • Unbaptize the children? - No such thing.
    • 'Discipline' the Archbishop? - Can't happen: he's not subject to the Church of Greece, but to the Ecumenical Patriarch. Good luck.
    More interesting still is (I'm guessing) the godparent isn't Orthodox. The Greek Orthodox have always played fast and loose with the canons. This was all planned and approved by the higher-ups well in advance. There won't be any action taken. That's how the Orthodox world is, for the most part. It's only different in Russia because church policies there are State-directed. Everywhere else, anyone that wants to make an issue of it is in the minority, except maybe some part of the Middle East, and it's pretty much always been that way.
     
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    I have no clue how things work in Orthodoxy but maybe the Ecumenical Patriarch could take action. Probably so far away he is not really up on what is going on.
     
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    anglican74 Well-Known Member Anglican

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    The Ecumenical Patriarch preaches on climate change as a gospel issue; he's probably not far off from these views himself
     
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    bwallac2335 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I also frequent and read an Orthodox Forum. He is not well like there
     
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    Invictus Well-Known Member

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    I can assure he knew exactly what was going on, well in advance. That's what I'm trying to tell you. The Greek Orthodox Archdiocese in America is a major source of revenue for the EP, and the Archbishop is representative of the mainstream of the American Greek Orthodox. Disciplining a bishop is next to impossible in Orthodoxy, and there's no motivation to do so in this case. There won't be any action.

    Also, don't trust what you read on Orthodox forums. I thought a lot of those people were off their rocker when I was Orthodox. Orthodoxy in general is reliably left-of-center when it comes to social issues.
     
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    It will take something of much greater cosmic significance to alter the earth's axis and orbit. We are still quite safe I think, for the time being.

    Happy for the kids! I agree. It would open a very big can of worms if the church seriously questioned the faith of every godparent and parent before agreeing to baptise their infants, but in fact we should. Until we actually seriously question the validity of every parent's faith before agreeing to baptise their infants, it isn't right to just question Gays. The church is legally REQUIRED to fulfil their request. The Church of England is in no position to refuse any parisioner who brings their infant for baptism. Since it is the child that is being baptised though and not the parent, I can see no reason for refusing the child.

    Why ,what have THEY done to disqualify themselves from baptism into God's family?
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    Exactly. For anyone to call it a "gay baptism" is very wide of the mark. The Church now has 2 new young members, and that's something to celebrate.
     
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    anglican74 Well-Known Member Anglican

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    The hierarchy in greece has been promoting women deacons, right?... They seem highly liberalized, so I don't see them being a bulwark against this ... For example are they 'vocally opposed' to gay men adopting sons? The OP should have sent shockwaves, and yet they permitted it; I can't imagine the ACNA prelates doing anything like that, so if they allowed this, what else are they willing to turn a blind eye to
     
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    This might help you... ;)
    hyperbole
    hī-pûr′bə-lē
    noun
    1. A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.
    2. In rhetoric, an obvious exaggeration; an extravagant statement or assertion not intended to be understood literally.
     
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    Deaconesses aren't considered Holy Orders in Orthodoxy. It's a long-defunct role that the canon law allows, which the hierarchy in Greece has brought back within the last several decades. It has nothing to do with gay marriage.

    The Church would not have had grounds to deny the baptism, regardless of the hierarchy's position on gay marriage or gay adoption. This is ultimately a tempest in a teapot. I don't understand the fixation on it.
     
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    I'm shocked and amazed. I so really thought you meant every word of it. (I think that's called sarcasm, for anyone who didn't know). :laugh:
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    I think your sar fell into a chasm. ;) (That's called humor.) :D

    We'd better be careful or they will want us to take our slapstick act on the road... :cheers:
     
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    Lord have mercy that what? Two infants were baptised?

    If the spiritual standing of ones parents determines your validity for baptism I guess I, and everyone else that has converted without Christian parents, better go find some other faith...
     
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    I guess, under from what I gather are Orthodox teachings, that you should not baptize someone if you are not sure they will be brought up in the faith. In that case it is better to baptize them as adults. That is what I gathered from Orthodox twitter.
     
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    "God condones homosexual activity" certainly is not a valid part of orthodox faith. Is it now Orthodox faith?