Yes! I already admitted that "equated" was a poor choice of words. Very imprecise of me! Now are you done roasting my feet over the flames? This entire thing seems like a side track off the main line issue of baptism. Now maybe you'd care to get back to the original question, which had to do with your definition of 'regeneration'. Also please state whether you think baptism is necessary for redemption, and why. After all, the two do go hand in hand.