Irreverent roman liturgies

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  1. PDL

    PDL Well-Known Member Anglican

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    Not that I'm aware of. I also suspect that with laws governing wild and/or dangerous animals such ceremonies would be illegal here. I can't say it never illegally happens behind closed doors. However, I do get the impression that Pentecostals are not quite the same here in the UK.
     
  2. Shane R

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    It's illegal in the US as well, at least the snake distribution part of the equation. There are only a couple dozen congregations that practice snake handling still. There are maybe 2 or 3 guys who supply the snakes across the whole Appalachian region and getting access to them is harder than cracking into a moonshine ring.
     
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    looking for some snakes?
     
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    Australia doesn't seem to have the religious type snake handlers, but it does have plenty of regular snake handlers. It is a specialised trade though, especially because snakes are protected under the Nature Conservation Act 1992. It is an offence to kill, injure or take snakes from the wild.

    'Snake catchers in Queensland are licensed by the Department of the Environment, Land and Water, with permits requiring completion of a snake handling course, knowledge of local snakes and a first aid certificate.'

    I have held pet snakes before and was surprised how dry their skin felt - I guess I was expecting them to be slimy or something. I don't particularly like them, and will avoid ones in the wild at all costs because I can't identify the harmless from the dangerous ones. But snakes don't scare me quite as much as spiders do. Spiders give me the creeps and I get really angry at them when they come inside the house because they 'make' me kill them. I won't abide spiders inside but will leave them alone outside since I figure it is their territory in a way. I am just grateful that I live in Victoria and not further north though - I am terrified of funnel web spiders because they can jump. Here we only have red back spiders, and they tend to hide in dark places, so I can avoid them easier. I hate the large huntsmen too, but know they aren't deadly, so can get rid of them if they come inside. I'm just glad spiders aren't protected by law too!

    The other good thing about Australia's deadly creatures is that it tends to scare away people from coming here - lol. Tourists are important, but nobody wants to get overwhelmed by them!
     
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    Yeah, but the spiders are worse.
     
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    I live in Florida and have had my fair share of run-ins with snakes, bugs, cougars, coyotes, aligators, and bats... but those Aussie spiders are something out of my nightmares!

    Australia is the land of Nope.

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    That poster doesn't even name them all! There are blue-ringed octopus (often fatal sting) and stone fish (you step on one - goodbye) and many other things but this is just an example:

    10 Most Deadly Spiders in Australia
    1. Sydney Funnel-Web Spider. ...
    2. Northern Tree Funnel-Web & Smaller Southern Tree Funnel-Web Spiders. ...
    3. Redback Spider. ...
    4. Trap Door Spiders. ...
    5. Mouse Spider. ...
    6. White-Tailed Spider. ...
    7. Australian Tarantulas. ...
    8. Recluse Spider.
    10 most poisonous snakes in Australia
    1. Eastern brown snake. (Pseudonaja textilis) ...
    2. Western brown snake. (Pseudonaja mengdeni) ...
    3. Mainland tiger snake. (Notechis scutatus) ...
    4. Inland taipan. (Oxyuranus microlepidotus) ...
    5. Coastal taipan. (Oxyuranus scutellatus) ...
    6. Mulga snake. (Pseudechis australis) ...
    7. Lowlands copperhead. (Austrelaps superbus) ...
    8. Small-eyed snake.
    I know it's weird but I kind of like that we have so many deadly things. It makes me feel safer. Who would want to invade and take over such a dangerous place? LOL
     
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    What RC Litter-Gee would be complete without dancing girls? :p
     
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    But here's a picture of a creature more dangerous than ALL of those.
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    Here is an image of the most dangerous animal:

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    I have a cousin who is a vet. He spent a year working in East Africa. He said humans were the only animal he was afraid of.
     
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    This was a roman mass in Chicago, for Christmas Eve 2021; so painful that I could barely watch at some points. Strobe lights, synthesizers, overloaded speakers, critical race theory, widespread irreverence, deep informality, and even vaguely pagan objects on the altar:

     
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    They’ve outdone themselves again. This is beyond heinous.
     
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    Are you sure that wasn't a service at some Protestant mega-church? LOL

    And to be harangued by a progressive "social justice" diatribe on Christmas eve, no less. Ugh! :thumbsdown:

    Our ACNA parish's Christmas eve service was very traditional and totally blew that RC Mass out of the water IMO. Although I have to admit, there was a breach of tradition in our service, when the rector got too warm and removed his cope prior to the homily! :laugh:
     
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    The cope can get hot, the chasuble too. That's why I typically order everything summer weight. Some of my colleagues have creative solutions to over heating (most of our parishes are in Southern states). One fellow got himself a bunch of all black soccer socks and takes his trousers off when he vests; you can't tell the difference with the long socks under a properly fitted cassock. Another smart move is to order a cassock that will accomodate a tab collar, that way you can strip down to your undershirt and still be collared. You can also order a piece that basically gives you the V portion of a V-neck shirt to put the 'dog collar' over. There are albs that are discretely slit on the sides, which helps a little.

    In summation, don't open the door to the vesting room unless you are ready for locker room sights, the clergy may be in various states of undress in there:D
     
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    Our rector actually made a joke one time about the fact that no one can tell if he's wearing pants. I thought to myself, "too much information!" :laugh:

    Several of my siblings are still RC, so I shared the link with them. My middle sister wrote back, "Definitely Pagan Worshipping. Ghastly. This just can’t be a Catholic Church service. Blows the mind!" Her (rural, middle-of-nowhere) parish still offers a Latin Mass on Sunday mornings.

    Maybe they should call this thing the "Protestant use semi-liturgy." :rolleyes:
     
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    I thought my Parish had a really interesting compromise with modernity and tradition I was quite impressed by. We had an earlier Christmas Eve service (not the Eucharist service) with lots of carols, and a later service with the traditional Eucharist and very catholic service. At the earlier service the rector gave an impressive sermon that had a sort of call and answer part that all the families and kids that were coming along for their rare holiday service got to participate in and enjoyed. It was more educational about the birth of Christ and what that means, and the true importance of Christmas more so than an education on morals we would normally get in a sermon. There was candle waving and some unconventional stuff you wouldn't normally see in our Anglo-Catholic parish. It was all still very reverent, a bit 'lower' than our church service normally is, but much more accessible for a first time church goer, and probably influenced the way they understand and celebrate Christmas more than our standard service would have.

    Then at the later service we had our traditional Anglo-Catholic Eucharist that we always have with a more conventional sermon. Some of the regulars attended both, some of the older parishioners only attended the latter one, many families from around the community I'd never seen before attended the earlier one and left smiling having thoroughly enjoyed their church experience.

    What shocks me about the video above is that if we ever had a service that abandoned the liturgy and had interpretive dancers roaming through the pews, half our parish would probably just walk out. It's nuts how their entire congregations sit through that stuff. That service is not for you, that service is for the people up on the stage. Don't entertain their egos. Wait outside until the priest breaks the bread and says the invitation, participate in the Lord's Supper, and then leave.
     
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    Do you consider the cassock mandatory? I just wondered because of what you said rather than giving the option of removing it. We probably don't get the same degree of heat you do or for as long. However, our hotter summer days can be unbearable because of the high levels of humidity. When I was in my early teens (the subject matter of Ancient History) and was an altar server our priest used to omit the cassock. He also omitted the chasuble on weekdays but not on Sunday. He never, to the best of my knowledge omitted trousers, but with knee-length socks and a cassock I see no problem in no trousers.
     
  20. Shane R

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    The cassock is dependent on what type of alb you have and whether you are in choir dress or eucharistic vestments. Some of our African provinces use white cassocks as well. Where I live now, the weather only exceeded 32°C on 4 days this summer, but in much of the American South there is a solid 40+ day run of such temperatures; in places like Texas and the American Southwest it's more like a 5 or 6 month run, maybe more. Much of the American Southeast and Gulf Coast is prone to those temperatures with 90-95% humidity for most of the summer.