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  1. mark fisher

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    did anglican traditionaly where cross necklaces
     
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    some do, and some don't.
     
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    What of it? Most of those that do, I wouldn't think they do for any 'traditional' reason and the same probably goes for most that don't. You won't find any specifically Anglican dogmas wriiten down anywhere, advising or forbidding one or the other, I think. Where the Spirit is there is freedom, and in Anglicanism that text is largely taken seriously.
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    Are you attempting to draw the wrath of Oseas upon yourself?
     
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    edit i mean befor the oxford movement
     
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    Deeply analyzing the matter, in fact GOD allowed His Son JESUS to be taken to the slaughter like a sheep, but the way by which He would be killed was not chosen by GOD the Father, but by the Devil, that is the old Serpent, and Satan; The satanic CROSS was manufactured by the Devil for killing JESUS through extreme torture, and to humiliate Him, in fact a satanic mockery, for cruel sufferings until death.

    Brother, you know that JESUS already knew the satanic plan of the Devil: He said to His disciples: Matthew 26:v.2 - 2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be CRUCIFIED. As all can see, it was a betrayer, one of the twelve, a devil(John 6:v.70)- who Satan used for sharing with the crucifixion of JESUS.

    Now, now, even the MAN beast who guides and rules one of the greater religious system of the Planet, actually a religious MONSTER leaded by the MAN beast, one of the more powerful head of the Antichrist power, he mantains a legion of manufaturer of cross by his religious system, and by which since the first century they celebrate the crucifixion of JESUS in whole world. Be careful, if not get ready.

    Revelation 21:v.8 - 8 But the fearful, and idolaters, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    The MAN-MADE CROSS is of the DEVIL and represents ONLY AND ONLY the dreadful, horrend, horrible, monstrous, execrable, hideous CHASTISEMENT my Lord JESUS suffered, it was marked by impiety, by intense cruelty, exactly according to the personal qualities of Satan, the man of sin, son of perdition, the manufaturer of crosses until this day and are widespread by/through his false, and deceiver, and satanic Christianity practised by the Beast of sea-the Pope-, and this satanic doctrine was widespreaded through the great whore -the Roman Catholic Church- , which rides upon the Beast of sea-the Pope. The cross you have on your mind, the Devil's cross that you are talking about it is carryed as a trophy by Satan, it is the satanic cross the devilish Catholicism kisses and adores.

    God forbid us, brother, from being dragged by Satan into his devilish idolatry. 1John 5:v. 21 - Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen
     
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    The Oxford Movement was about theology, namely, a "high" view of church authority like the old high churchmen (I think the difference was the Oxford Movement talked back to the bishops). They didn't adopt more elaborate, Roman Catholic ceremonial. That came later. They stuck to the strict letter of the Prayer Book. Back then, a cross on a Communion table would have been controversial. So I don't know but my guess is Anglicans in the early 1800s didn't wear crosses.
     
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    I understand that they which didn't wear crosses it was because really believed in JESUS for salvation of their souls, through the blood of Him poured in His crucifixion being made Himself a curse for us as it is written in Galatians 3:v.13. They which is really linked in JESUS is not under the curse of the cross, they are protected or covered by the blood of JESUS that delivers them from the curse. Those which wear crosses like the satanic and religious MONSTER of 7 heads, and 10 horns and a NAME of blasphemy, the Beast of Rome and his followers , those are still under the curse, they are without the protection and are not covered by the blood of JESUS, quite the opposite, tehy remain remain under the curse, still cursed. JESUS is between those which are saved by faith in His sacrifice according Scriptures, and those which are not saved yet, it because were deceived by doctrines of demons, deceived by the spirit of darkness-the Devil-2 Corinthians 11:v.13-15 and Revelation 2:v.18-20 and 21:v.8. Check it.
     
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    One certainly doesn’t see them in, for example, portraits of clergy from the 18th and 19th centuries, and I would not expect there to have been a strong motivation in those days for the laity to appear more pious than the clergy. The wearing of them, at least in Anglican practice, thus appears to be a more recent import.
     
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    We cannot forget that we are living in the end of the times and very near of JESUS's coming. We know that are living in perilous times that Paul Apostle prophesied around 2000 years ago, and was revealed this terrible event would come in this current time - 2 Timothy 3:v.1-5.

    We need not only of lamp- i.e. the Word of GOD-Psalm 119:v.105 - , this is very good, but mainly of oil, the anointing oil, the Holy Spirit - the Spirit gives life, the letter not - , whose source are the two olive trees -i.e. the Old and the New Testaments-Revelation 11:v.3- , both Testaments are the source of oil for the two candlesticks - for the two Churches - the Jewish Church-Hebrews 12:v.23- and of Gentilic Church-Colossians 1:v.24.

    Therefore, not only light - the Word of GOD - but also oil if not may be lose the soul. Matthew 25:v.4 to 13. Be careful, ok? or then get ready.

    1 Tim.4:v.1-2
    1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
    2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

    2 Thessalonians 2:v.1-4 and 9-12
    2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

    2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    1 Thessalonians 4:v.16-17

    16 The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel-Michael-Daniel 12:v.1-3-, and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord, and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Amen
     
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    How do we know this? what evidence do you have?
    No we don't know this. certainly I don't know. Again what evidence do you have for this assertion. Please just don't quote scripture without any commentary or explanation. If you intend to answer by quoting bare Bible text you might as well just send me a Bible and say here is your answer.
     
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    Through GOD. GOD is the evidence. Do you believe in Him? By the way, the Word is GOD-John 1:v.1- and the Word was made flesh because the Word is self executing and is GOD. Yes, self-executing, the Word was made flesh because He said He would be made flesh-Isaiah 7:v.14:-the Word said: 14 Therefore the LORD Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, A VIRGIN shall conceive, and bear a SON, and shall call his name Immanuel(GOD with us). On the other hand, you and all can see that GOD makes IMPOSSIBLE THINGS according this example I have just given for your knowledge, that is the conception made by A VIRGIN , by the Power He Himself, the Word.

    Now see, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days (last two days or last two thousand years) spoken unto us by His Son, JESUS Christ -the Word made flesh-,whom GOD has appointed heir of all things, by whom also GOD made the worlds; Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of His PERSON, the PERSON OF THE FATHER, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

    The Word made flesh revealed MANY SIGNS of the end of the times, don't you know at least one of the signs of the end times?
     
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    Paul Apostle is speaking of the extreme corruption of this current time, the last times, and what he prophesied is LITERALLY fulfilling. In fact we are living in the days as were in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah or sodomites.

    Actually the current world of Devil is really infested of men that are lovers of their own selves, covetous, unholy, unthankful, boasters, proud, blasphemers, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

    But the kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of OUR LORD and His Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever-Revelation 11:v.15(to 18).
    Revelation 21:v.8
    - 8 But the fearful(cowards), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
     
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    But you still haven't explained why today is part of the end times. What is different today that makes it the end times, to what was happening 30, 50, 100 or 200 years ago. What wasn't happening 30,50,100,200 years ago that didn't make it the end times.
    You are in a long line of end time predicters, 1914 and 1844 were popular dates.
     
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    Who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth, who is from above is above all. Your thinking is a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?

    Jesus went out and departed from the Temple: and His disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the temple. (Oh how great, how admirable, were the stones of the temple of Jerusalem!!!)
    2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here ONE stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. Jesus left His disciples disappointed with his answer, evidently.

    What JESUS prophesied about the Temple it fulfilled LITERALLY in the year 70AD.
    So, in fulfillment of the words of JESUS, the temple was destroyed in 70AD, and the people of Israel was banned from their land and scattered around the world for 1.878 years, from year 70 to 1948 AD, more than 100K died. Israel was punished severely from year 70 until 1948AD, they suffered strong punishments in LITERAL fulfillment of Deuteronomy 28:v.15 to 68. 53 verses of severe punishments. Check it.

    THE WORD IS GOD and is self executing, understand?

    You are wrong, I can't imagine from whom you are talking about, if they were preachers of the Word of God or if they were sorcerers and soothsayers, but if you are referring to the preachers of the Word of God, even these were not predicting anything as you are thinking, but misinterpreting the Scriptures such as you do. Who in the New Testament really PREDICT the end of time were JESUS and His Apostles. JESUS came here in the fourth Day after Adam, or two days ago or around 2000 years ago (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day-2Peter 3:v.8- and we just entered in the 3rd millennium after Christ), and He said to the Jews: Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. This 3rd Day of which JESUS was talking just arrived.

    As I said above, Jesus went out and departed from the Temple and went to the Mount of Olives. Still in perplexity about future destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, the disciples asked to JESUS about three things:

    1st question: Matthew 24:v.3 - Tell us, when shall these things be? (They meant: When the Temple will be destroyed?)
    But before to answer the question, JESUS went to the Mount of Olives, and there the disciples still perplex with the destination of the Temple according JESUS had spoken, then they asked more two important things to the Lord JESUS, saying privately: Matthew 24:v.3 -

    (1) What shall be the sign of thy coming?

    (2) and of the END of the world?

    Well, the testimomy of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy. So He LISTED several events linked (1) to His coming, and (2) to the END of this world -the current Devil's world-, as follow:

    Matthew 24:v.4 to 8 -
    v.4 - And Jesus answered and LISTED several events and saying unto His disciples:
    - Take heed that no man deceive you. (this was the first concerns of JESUS. It seems that many have not keep the warning of JESUS and were/are deceived by false and devilish theories and preachings).

    JESUS said: v.5 to 8
    v.5 - For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (Soon will manifest the Beast of the earth who has two horns like a lamb, actually a false lamb, a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR, as said JESUS -John 5:v.43 combined with Revelation 13:v.11-18. Check it out).
    v.6 - And ye shall hear of wars and RUMOURS of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet.
    v.7 - For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, ...: (Will be G7, and G20, and EU, and UNO, among others Entities, DISSOLVED from now on? Day after day, the happenings of the current satanic World will run in this way /according 2 Peter 3:v.7 and Revelation 11:v.18 and Micah 4:v.3).

    ... and there shall be: - (this prophecy is already fulfilling literally)

    - famines; - this is literally being fulfilled in this current time;

    - and pestilences - this is literally being fulfilled in this current time;

    - and earthquakes, in divers places. - we will see several of them from now on;

    But,

    8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.(again: the END is not yet).


    Matthew 24:v.14 - JESUS said: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    Be careful or then get ready

    Another interesting and peculiar sign of JESUS's coming and of the END of this devilish world, it LITERALLY fulfills even in YOU YOURSELF AND IN ALL THOSE WHICH ARE LIKE YOU, that is with regard to the faith in the Word of GOD: JESUS said: Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

    Jewish Calendar - How to explain the difference of exactly 240 years in the Jewish calendar? | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net )
     
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    The main problem with this is that part of the ancient Temple structure remains intact to this day.


    That, and the fact that there have always been wars, famines, etc. Interpreting every major event as a harbinger of the apocalypse is a fool’s errand.
     
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    Yes but this is patently untrue. I can't recall when one of these many "Christs" was mentioned in the news.
    Can you name any of these many false Christs, and any who have been deceived?
    Again, with one notable exception in Eastern Europe there appears to be no nation rising against another. Can you name any others Oseas?
    Kingdom against Kingdom !!! I'm a bit of an expert on Kingdoms and apart from a slight spat between Morocco and Spain there are no Kingdoms fighting Kingdoms, again your assertion is wrong.

    Consider Matt 24:24---For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

    Can you name any great signs and wonders performed by these false prophets and Messiahs?

    Now look at 2 Thess 2:4 that mentions the "ratbag" in the end times.
    He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

    Now to set himself up in God's Temple, The Israelis or whoever will have to pull finger , get their A into G and get the Temple rebuilt. Who would have thought the Israelis may be holding up Jesus' return.
     
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    What? Do you want to convince me by your satanic preaching that JESUS lied?
    Comparing JESUS and you I must say that JESUS is GOD, GOD is Spirit, and your spirit is the ...

    Evidently you need to search. But research takes work, and the fact is that to work it's not for any.

    According your spirit, even you are one that have been deceived certainty.
    false christ of "new zealand" - Bing images
     
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    In these last 1950 years the whole world know that the temple was destroyed in the year 70 according the PROPHECY of JESUS.

    It is not a surprise that you don't believe in JESUS, you only have heard to speak of JESUS as a mere history , but never believed in JESUS as the Scripture hath said, like the foolish virgins with their fool's systems of beliefs.