Christian responses to US Politics

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  1. Rexlion

    Rexlion Well-Known Member

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    What will the world look like in a decade, if the globalist elites have their way?
    The World Economic Forum has an agenda for our future.
     
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    I of course have no idea what is happening here but it could be

    "The Republicans were challenging guidance issued by Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar that allows defective mail-in ballots to be "cured" by giving people the opportunity to file provisional ballots. Republicans say that guidance violates state law."

    Or of course it could just be fake news:whistle:

    Surely it can't be too hard to track down that southpaw streatch her on a rack and extract the truth.
     
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    In the case of my wife's son's business the nails that were driven into it's coffin by the Tory Government was it's failure to act quickly enough last March, thus allowing the virus a month free to infect without fear or favour, thus requiring a longer shutdown to eventually get it under control. This followed by an irresponsibly lax release of shutdown once it was under control, followed by a bungled, half-arsed clamp down aimed almost entirely at the hospitality sector with a 10pm pub curfew which drove pubs to the wall, (How can you make a living in a pub when you have to close the kitchen at 9pm), followed by the predictable eventual inevitably by now essential and emergency complete shutdown we are now enduring, because the NHS can't cope with the numbers in intensive care. (worse than the first wave). All this while awarding 10's £billion pounds untendered contracts to it's cronies and donors in upstart fake PPE companies, (headed up by opportunist aristocratic Tories, while ignoring companies which already made PPE), useless track and trace systems, mobile anti-virus 'Apps' which don't work, and tests that take days to give results after being made to drive miles, (in my case 56 miles, relatively short compared to some unfortunates), just to get a Covid19 test.

    Meanwhile I agree with your assessment of the way small businesses will be gobbled up cheap by sharks and asset strippers with big bank rolls. We are ruled by a gang of greed motivated, criminal Carpet Baggers.
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    But is she filling them with Trump votes or Biden votes, THAT is the question. If it can happen for one it can happen for the other too, So the fackers will probably cancel each other out. And why has she not been jailed?

    This is a cellphone video of one fraudulant counter. You can't assume that all Biden votes were produced this way or that no Trump votes were recorded this way either. Your system stinks. That is something America should be ASHAMED of, not just Biben voters, and the world can see it, (unless it has been faked of course). Compared to this, Putin runs a better system than yours.

    I very much doubt if this fraud is impossible to trace though. If it is it is the fault of your system, and crooked officials of both persuasions, not the fault of Biden or Trump and could easily be corrected.
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    There is another possible explanation of this video though. It may not be a ballot counter filling in this ballot. I could be a voter who has been called in to correct a spoiled ballot. I understand that has been allowed in some states. That would explain the sanguine expression of the security officer. She would have been doing nothing wrong, only correcting a spoiled ballot.

    In the UK there is no way to correct a spoiled ballot. A ballot must have a X (cross) in only one box. Some ballots have been filled in in an unclear way and go into a different pile of their own. These are then ajudicated in the event of a close vote and somtimes a (tick) in a box is accepted as valid, also sometimes a cross which is large enough to go outside the box is accepted as long as it does not obviously cross into any other of the voting boxes on the ballot. multiple crosses are never accepted and empty ballots are never accepted, neither are ballots which contain any other text apart from a single X in a relevant box. In the UK, Counters are not allowed to have on their person any means by which to mark any ballot they are counting.

    Another issue for you in the US though is the fact that your ballots are a lot more complicated and bigger than ours because this was not just an election for President but for other representatives as well. Thus the big ballot papers.
     
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    The Republican elephant is doing the 'thinking' and the Trump supporting mahout is then finding justifications for the direction he CLAIMS HE has decided upon. If there is no OTHER way to keep Trump in the Whitehouse, his supporters won't balk at using unconstitutional measures.

    Count every vote, (should not even need saying).
    Check every vote, (should not even need saying).

    No (extra) votes have so far been (found), they were postal and military/overseas votes which already existed and of course SHOULD be counted. If anyone is trying to (steal) your election it is Trump supporters and Trump himself.
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    Trumpian Rhapsody?

    "Goota be legal!" Of course it has to be, and it will be too unless the judges are fixed!
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    Has it occurred to any of the 'election fraud!' crowd that if the opposition were cheating the ballot, they'd do it to within more than a fraction of a percentage point in only key states? Maybe give their man a big, decisive win instead of scrabbling for votes on a knife-edge?

    Trump supporters seem to have ASSUMED that they had it ALL in the bag and so any slightest scent of shinanigans in the electoral system is necessarily reducing the vote they assumed they would be getting. They don't seem to understand the effects of a hugely greater turnout. Both Republican and Democrat parties had many more votes than happened at the previous presidential election, and Biden's lead is very similar in size to what Trump's was back then. How is it that Trump won ("Fair and Square") but Biden had to have fiddled and 'stolen' the election.

    Anyone might think that Trump and his supporters think that HE and they OWNED it to start with. Of course if you have paid big money to buy it, you would naturally think you owned it.
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    Tune into Newsmax (available on Roku) if you would like to balance out your perspective with some facts that MSM isn't reporting.

    One America News Network (OANN) has some articles on this, too.

    On election night, Trump had a 600,000+ vote lead in PA. Now they're showing Biden in the lead. For that to happen, more than 80% of the late-counted ballots would've had to be for Biden. What are the odds? When one combines this with the reports of irregularites in PA, it becomes apparent that a second look is needed in that state. Same with Wisconsin and Michigan and Nevada, and maybe a couple of others.

    The news media actually said, prior to Nov. 3, that it might take weeks before we knew who won. Well, that turned out to be somewhat prophetic (I use the term loosely!). Until someone is sworn into office in January, we all will have to sit tight and see what develops. Give the court challenges, recounts, and arrests time to show us who won.
     
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    This was the biggest attempted election theft in American history

    But it will fail because all the right people knew it was coming, and prepared for it

    Hang tight patriots, the election battle is just beginning... It’s a nice pleasant saturday, let them celebrate... But on Monday it’s back to the grind, and we begin the roll back
     
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    Does The USA have a long history of this kind of thing then?
    Where is the actual evidence, and don't give us faked news, there's been enough of that from Trump.

    Which side does it the most, may I ask? :laugh: :clap:

    Normally you need a war to get rid of fascism. This week it took voting.

    Vote. It works.

    Aren't bad losers nearly always also - bad people?
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    The famous prior attempt was in 1960, when John F. Kennedy won through election fraud over Richard Nixon... Nixon conceded before the fraud had come out, by which point JFK was already considered as president-elect

    Previous to that, in the 1860s the Democratic party (pro-slavery) had attempted to defeat Abraham Lincoln through mail-in voter ballot fraud (I am not kidding)


    So yes voter fraud is a well known issue in democratic countries, and not just America! I would have you look into the history of your own country, especially into the 1945 British elections, where Churchill miraculously lost, after defeating Hitler and coming out as one of the greatest heroes of British history
     
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    They had not started counting the postal votes until after the rest were in. Republicans were advised by Trump not to postal vote. Big mistake in a Covid Epedemic. Postal votes can be traced and counted just as easily as 'votes on the day' and there is the added advantage that voters escape possible intimidation and 'running the gauntlet', at the polls. Particularly true for black people, it would seem in some states.
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    Which shows that Democrats are far more likely than Republicans to "go postal"? :halo:
     
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    I'm really surprised then that JFK went on to remain one of your better Presidents if indeed the election was proven to be 'fraudulent' and that fraudulace secured the Presidency for him. Not sure I believe what you are saying here.
    I think both Democrats and Republicans were in favour of slavery at one time or another maybe.
    There was no fraud involved in the 1945, neither was Winston's defeat 'miraculous'. He was a Tory and not at all popular with the armed forces or civillian workers. They were not about to give the Tories a mandate to ride roughshod over the masses, after all that they had gone through fighting against the Nazis. Yes they were grateful for Churchill's WAR leadership, but they didn't want him in control of THE PEACE, sitting pretty in his palace at Blenheim.
     
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    Which perfectly explains why the vote swung away from Trump when the postal votes started being counted. It's not rocket science. :facepalm:

    "It must be easier to be a parent this morning in the USA. Easier to tell your kids character matters. Telling the truth matters. Being a good person matters... If you're Muslim... in your country, you don't have to worry about whether the president doesn't want you there..."

    And now I've spent enough time on the USA's problems. We have enough problems of our own with our own Brishit Trump, - Johnson.
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    Yes you are quite correct here Tiffy I suggest anglican74 reads wikipedia on the 1945 general election, a small section of which says,

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    Ralph Ingersoll reported in late 1940:

    "Everywhere I went in London people admired [Churchill's] energy, his courage, his singleness of purpose. People said they didn't know what Britain would do without him. He was obviously respected. But no one felt he would be Prime Minister after the war. He was simply the right man in the right job at the right time. The time being the time of a desperate war with Britain's enemies".

    The historian Henry Pelling, noting that polls showed a steady Labour lead after 1942, pointed to long-term forces that caused the Labour landslide: the usual swing against the party in power, the Conservative loss of initiative, wide fears of a return to the high unemployment of the 1930s, the theme that socialist planning would be more efficient in operating the economy and the mistaken belief that Churchill would continue as prime minister regardless of the result."

    I can still remember an old British workmate of mine saying "at least the British had the sense to get rid of him (Churchill) after the war".

    Don't you just like the comment on "socialist planning" ? :p
     
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    Like it, but not a lot, as Paul Daniels would have said. (I am liberal not socialist). What most people didn't want after WW2 was the penny pinching Tories running the economy and organising the rebuilding of a shattered society and infrastucture. I grew up between 1945-1960 and am very grateful for the achievements of the Labour governments immediately after the war. It should be remembered though that the NHS was originally a Liberal inspiration, and carried forward by a Tory MP in the war time Coalition government, not actually a Labour initiative at all, though most of the actuality of it came about under post war Labour governments.
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