Anglicans and CCM

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  1. Religious Fanatic

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    I know most Anglicans prefer traditional music during worship over modern ones, but are most Anglicans necessarily against CCM (Contemporary Christian Music)? As a Protestant I grew up with CCM but like many was disenchanted with how pretentious or shallow most of it was. Of course, there are many exceptions, but lately what's left of CCM has been contaminated with liberal theology and the emergent church doctrines. Most 'indie' groups are promoting heresy and sites like BadChristian celebrate Christians who not only teach this, but discourage others from even trying to hold steadfastly in orthodox theology, or strive to become holier people and fight against sin. Too much of the whole "it doesn't matter whether I'm working on being good or not because we're all sinners anyway". This mantra is even being exploited by Christian rock and metal bands to try and seem 'edgy' because they want to overemphasize the fact that we're all wretched sinners saved by grace to cover up the idea of lukewarmness to being holier and more obedient in our lifestyles. U2 also apostasized by promoting gay marriage and abortion to appease the masses. And don't even get me started about Sufjan Stevens! I knew the guy was a fraud and a heretic from the beginning because of his eccentric Episcopal leanings. He was always touted as a 'savior' to Christian music, but it was obvious that he was not orthodox by any means and he certainly gives it away by endorsing LGBT and other liberal, heretical views.

    That's not to say all contemporary worship music is theologically inept or bad. I know many sincere Protestants and even Catholics of every sort who have been touched by these songs, and my relatives have certainly benefited from them, even if I was not in to the style. My family always despised bad theology or shallowness in what is promoted as 'christian music'. What is your view on it?
     
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    Use of CCM is prevalent in ACNA. I was sent to work with an ACNA church that was going to transition from the 1979 BCP to the 1928. I went down there and we discussed the one or two areas where they were quite confused by the book - mostly the lectionary. I went to their worship service and the priest was very high church but all of the music was CCM displayed on TV screens. It made an incongruous presentation to have the 1928 BCP supplemented by Hillsong, Chris Tomlin, and Michael W. Smith selections.

    Many of the local TEC parishes also have a 'blended' service. It is typically the over 50 crowd that wants this. The bands are always composed of older folks and the music they gravitate to sounds like Dan Fogelberg and John Denver material or Kansas if they want to be edgy. It gives men in their 60s a chance to whip out a 12 string guitar and play one more gig and women a chance to do their best Grace Slick or Carole King impersonation.

    The Hymnal the REC published in 2017 chose to include a few selections from the CCM scene; perhaps 12-15 in the entire volume. So, I guess my conclusion is that it's theoretically compatible with Anglican worship, but not usually done for the best reasons or done well.
     
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    Godly, Biblical lyrics are godly, Biblical lyrics.... regardless of the type of melody they're set to. And the reverse is true, too. A rector should take care to ensure that all songs in church convey Bible truth and glorify the Lord.
     
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    Yeah, CCM is ubiquitous in my diocese; my church may be the only one that uses exclusively a hymnal. As Shane and Rexlion mentioned, though, there definitely are some contemporary worship songs that can be sung well and fruitfully in the liturgy. You just have to find the wheat amidst the chaff, and make sure you don't imitate the performance-driven entertainment-driven worship of popular evangelicalism. We use the 2017 (REC) hymnal and I love the fact that it has a few modern songs! It even has a few gospel songs, which aren't my cup of tea, and my congregation definitely could not do then justice :laugh: but for those can sing them well I'm glad they're there.
     
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    Tomlin, Smith, and even Hillsong are some of the better worship music producers in CCM. I tend to feel that the holiest artists (based on what we know of them so far) write more mature and formal music like this, rather than smut like Christian rock. It's not that some Christian rock isn't edifying, Newsboys and Audio Adrenaline being noteworthy examples. It's just that it has ended up going the way the nutty fundie baptist preacher imagined it would, with the younger hipster bands apostasizing or making excuses for heresies and vulgarity to try and seem 'edgy', but is really just an attempt to find a loophole to let them do whatever they want. Derek Webb is a rather startling example of this cancer in CCM. The man finally rejected the faith entirely after boasting about hypocrisy in the church, saying Paul justified profanity by using the word 'skubala', talking about LGBT discrimination without making any distinction over whether he taught 'love the sinner and hate the sin' or just flat out acceptance of sin entirely, and ended up committing adultery on his wife while producing an album about family values. The corruption from people like this is really astounding. I saw it coming from a mile away and knew the man was bad news before any of this ever happened though. Don't fall for Sufjan Stevens either.

    Like I said, God can use modern worship. Christian pop and rock is virtually dead compared to what it was in the 80s and 90s, but a lot of people were being mislead and exploited into thinking they were supporting Godly people. I was close to the CCM world back in the 90s-00s and watched a lot of this buffoonery take place, even met many posers from these bands at concerts, and a few authentically Christian people. The reason modern worship has overcome the fake Christian music is because it was consecrated entirely to the church without the same pretentions that trash like Amy Grant's "Baby Baby" or hipster rock was penned for.
     
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    Ah, this is true. Hillsong does get a lot of criticism. But then again, some bands who write 'edgy' dark songs about doubt ended up attempting murder like Tim Lambesis of As I Lay Dying. They tried to mask disbelief in false humility by seeming 'objective' but at the time they really had no faith at all. This guy from Hillsong does this, but in a different way. Scary.
     
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    I understand this and am struggling with these issues at times myself. I heard about Joshua Harris' departure from Christianity. I am not exactly good at conforming myself to everything God wants. Sometimes I wonder if I even do it at all.
     

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