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Discussion in 'Sacred Scripture' started by seagull, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. Lowly Layman

    Lowly Layman Well-Known Member

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    I believe there is a lot of merit to OEC. It may well be the truth.
     
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  2. seagull

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    I believe in what is in the Nicene Creed, that God is the Maker of Heaven and Earth. I do not believe that He made it in six days. Neither does the Nicene Creed, "the sufficient statement of Christian faith", require me to.
     
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    That's nice. I believe God has made the earth in six days and rested on the seventh i will take God's Word over science always, science is done by man and not inspired and man is fallible
     
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    Sorry, do you mean the Nicene Creed is "nice". Are you trying to be amusing? And/or sarcastic?

    What do you mean "science is done by man"? What an extraordinary statement. Geology isn't.

    You're quite entitled to believe what you want. I'm not sure what the rules/beliefs of the "CEC Anglo-Catholic)" community are, nor what your credentials are, but I find it comforting and reassuring that all the congregation + clergy at our (high) CofE church believe in evolution. Not that we have to. We have a choice. I hope that you're not implying that choosing to believe in evolution means we're not really Christian. That would be intolerant and arrogant. Very un-Anglican.
     
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    No I mean what you said.

    All science is man made

    Yes liberalism has a strangled hold on the CofE and ECUSA
     
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    There are a few statements against scripture in this thread that violate the TOS. They will be left here for the sake of continuity but for the future such statements are not acceptable. Once again this is not an issue of being pro-creationism or pro-evolution: history has shown that Scripturally there can be support for both. It is not acceptable, however, to argue for a position from the starting point of Scripture being wrong.
     
  7. Lowly Layman

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    seagull, no one has said or implied that noncreationists are not really christian, please don't argue with strawmen, there are enough real members of the forum to argue with as it is.

    back to the issue, do you mean to say that the nicene creed affirms Darwinism?

    Also, if science is not done by man, who pray is science done by?
     
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    I) The Nicene Creed affirms neither Creationism, nor Darwinism.

    ii) Science is made by God.
     
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    No, Science is a man made product
     
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    Sadly, the Creeds and Articles in the ECUSA have been tossed aside as "horribly old fashioned and outdated", I see some here on the forum tend to agree.

    Jeff
     
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    But the Nicene Creed states that God is "Maker of all things, visible and invisible". Or when you say the Creed do you add, "except science"?
     
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    Science is a field of study made by man. I know your a bit unorthodox but the long and short is God made the Earth and gave us minds and with those minds we create things science is one of those things
     
  13. Lowly Layman

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    A car is a thing, do you say God made cars? What about nuclear weapons?
     
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    "A bit unorthodox". Goodness me, I'm CofE mainstream. I can't speak for the "CEC (Anglo-Catholic)" community, but creationism is not regarded as "orthodox" in the CofE. It's tolerated but most unusual. I very much doubt if any of our Bishops are creationist. I've never met an Anglican creationist.
     
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    Indirectly, yes. He gave us the wherewithal. In some cases, I'm not sure why, but remember that the pro-death President Bush regards himself as a devout Christian, so someone here on your side of the Pond might be able to address that.
     
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    My money is on God creating nuclear weapons especially if you consider them evil.

    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.(Isiaah 45:7)
     
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    Well as an ex Anglican agnostic (!) I'm no theologian, but perhaps our clever friends here could tell us whether God made the tsunami, hurricanes, cancer and handicapped children. I don't know. But perhaps He also made (or helped scientists make) drugs which help us overcome illnesses.

    By the way, I celebrated my 60th birthday in Auckland and went to an inner city church where they had a decidedly liberal approach to Anglicanism. You might well have felt at home!
     
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    Umm St Matthews?
     
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    Umm....yes!
     
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    Well if it was recently you may have enjoyed the new mega expensive organ there, that my brother in law had a part in building and installing.
     
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