Discussion in 'Navigating Through Church Life' started by Tuxedo America, Oct 21, 2017.
@Tuxedo, are you still following the updates?
It is thinking like this (one true church stuff) that drove me away from the RCC. When one group considers itself superior to another, it has lost Christ IMO.
And also for attending the Kentucky Derby or Royal Ascot; I understand that fascinators do count, if only according to the letter of the law.
Simple as, my church (the Anglican Church in North America) is part of the visible Church of Christ and as such is a congregation of faithful men, in which the pure Word of God is preached, and the Sacraments be duly ministered according to Christ’s ordinance, in all those things that of necessity are requisite to the same.
In English the word men or man is simply a gender neutral term for people. It is only recently we take offense because we forget
It is not simply a matter of forgetting - it is how common usage has changed the meaning from people to a gender specific term. I like mankind as a word for people because the inclusion of the word kind somehow makes it more inclusive.
I believe the Anglican church is A true church, and part of THE true church, but I believe it would be hubristic and un-Anglican to claim that the Anglican church is somehow the ONLY true church.
As Jewell wrote in his Apologia, "We believe that there is one Church of God, and that the same is not shut up (as in times past among the Jews) into some one corner or kingdom, but that it is catholic and universal, and dispersed throughout the whole world. So that there is now no nation which may truly complain that they be shut forth, and may not be one of the Church and people of God: and that this Church is the kingdom, the body, and the spouse of Christ; and that Christ alone is the Prince of this kingdom; that Christ alone is the Head of this Body; and that Christ alone is the Bridegroom of this spouse."
It used to be 'simply a gender neutral term for people', and for people educated in the use of the English language, still is.
Unfortunately, given the amount of institutionalised misogny still lingering within traditional Anglicanism, the use of the word man is understood in a similar way to the use of the word man when referring to Adam, which in its original Hebrew form means 'mankind' but many ignorant people still apply it exclusively to a specific and individual man, not to mankind generally, instead of as a literary metaphor coined by the ancient author of the inspired scripture.
The English language changes and evolves over time, so some words are added and others dropped, some are recycled, or up-cycled, and some are misused to the point where the original meaning was lost. Changes to language are accelerating, and some changes are being pushed by movements of social change and political agendas. So some of the changes we see happening in our own ere may seem a little more contrived than changes used to be, and at the end of the day we do need to communicate the gospel in the vernacular - or as we used to say - the vulgar tongue.
And my answer to this is: The Christian Church is the True Church, and all who embrace the core doctrines of the Christian Church are part of her. TEC has gone so far off and astray that for years I left it, after having been raised in the Church from age 4. Leftist politics, female priests, allowing homosexual-same sex marriages, and the endorsement of homosexual practice as validly Christian, paved the way for many of us to throw up our hands and say, "no more." Radicals took over the Church, and frankly Catholic Clown Masses were more valid than TEC's. The Druid priests were a nice touch, too, not to mention the female corpus on the Crucifix of a well-known Episcopal Cathedral. It just went from bad to worse (I was in the Diocese of Newark with John Spong leading), so my husband and left, moved to NM and we eventually became involved in an ACNA group. The Evangelical tone of preaching was refreshing, and there was nothing remotely like Spong's rhetoric found there. Which came as a relief. We ended up meeting with an Anglican Episcopal Church group in NM with the Bishop presiding. When my husband passed away I came to Florida, and the only Anglican churches weren't within driving distance, so I checked out the local Episcopal Church. Suffice to say the rector or vicar or whatever he calls himself reminded me totally of what I'd experienced in TEC. However, there was also a Latino Ministry group meeting with a very sound Hispanic priest. Since I had lived in NM for so many years, I began attending the Latino Mass - very high Church, very beautiful, very Evangelical - and have been there ever since. So, I'm the only Anglican probably in the world going to a Latino TEC Mass. But, it fits my needs. I fear that when TEC closes, and it most likely will in 20 or 30 years, the faithful Christian Latinos will be sort of displaced. I hope TEC, or even better, the ACNA, makes a provision for these faithful Christians whose Catholic Christianity is above reproach. Not everybody is contaminated with North American Episcopal Heresy! May heretical TEC slowly die out and may the faithful left, come together to serve Jesus without having to be subjected to the bizarre false teaching TEC is well known for. The Remnant will continue.
Correction. That should read, ""so my husband and I left." Sorry.
I'm curious to know, do they conduct the entire service en español? Are there interpreters?
Your comment about "clown masses" puzzled me, so I googled it. Sure enough, clowns on the platform, Halloween costume masses.... unreal!