Silence all women! - Has the Taliban got it right?

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  1. Tiffy

    Tiffy Well-Known Member

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    Is the Taliban right to support absolutely, even more enthusiastically, 1 Cor. 14:34. Could this mean that Muslims are better at keeping 'the law' than is the church of Jesus Christ?

    1 Cor. 14:34"women should be silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as the law also says".

    If there actually IS a law that can be found in Holy scripture, demanding silence and subordination of women, what actually IS IT and WHERE is it?

    Are the Afghanistan Taliban therefore only doing God's will in imposing it, so are right to inflict this restrictive 'LAW' on women, if it really IS a Law of God?

    Can anybody tell me the chapter and verse of this edict of the Law. A good place to search would be Exodus, Deuteronomy or Leviticus, maybe Numbers at a pinch. I thought the law referred to should be in one of those somewhere, but my search engine hasn't found it yet.

    I've tried using 'law = 88 hits', 'woman = 33 hits', 'silence = 2 hits', 'speak = 65 hits' and even 'subordinate = 0 hits', as a keyword in my search but still have not come up with this LAW yet. Seems a very obscure law.

    Maybe it isn't a law at all, just a suggestion, but I can't even find a suggestion that women should shut up when men are talking, using any of those search key words, so I'm totally stumped.

    Perhaps I should search the Koran instead to find this Law of God. Maybe the Koran has better information in it. The Taliban seem to know where it is OK and are very enthusiastic about enforcing it.

    It just seems odd to me, (a believer led by the Spirit, as Paul suggests we all should be), that women must be constrained by this 'Law' but men should be led by the Spirit and are free from 'the law'. Can it be that women are not 'set free from the law of sin and death', so must be submissive to 'This Law'.

    Have the Taliban got it right and the church got it wrong, I wonder?
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    There is nothing in the Qur’an that forbids women from leading prayer (being an Imam).

    Rachel Rinaldo – Associate Professor at the Department of Sociology, University of Colorado Boulder – writes:

    ‘Aside from Indonesia, there are many other countries where women have begun to play a role as ulamas (scholars of Islamic doctrine and law). Women prayer leaders (imams), however, remain rare.

    ‘Many Muslims in Indonesia and elsewhere believe that women can be prayer leaders only to all-female congregations. Women-only mosques are still unusual, as in most Muslim societies, women pray at home or in a special section of the mosque. The only place with a long tradition of Muslim women who lead prayers is China.

    ‘Among China’s 21 million Muslims, women-led mosques and Quranic schools go back to at least the 19th century. The phenomenon has apparently spread in recent years as the government has loosened some restrictions on religion.

    ‘In other countries, governments have established programs to train women ulamas – and imams – as a strategy to counter the growth of extremism.

    ‘For example, in Egypt, the Religious Endowments Ministry plans to appoint 144 female imams for the first time so as to teach women about Islam and stop them from being radicalized. And in 2006, Morocco introduced the “murshidat” – Muslim women religious leaders – who now number over 400. In Turkey, as part of its effort to spread Islam more widely, the government has increased the number of official Muslim female preachers, who currently number over 700.

    ‘In Europe and North America, women have recently begun to lead prayers at several mosques. Most of these mosques are for women, but more controversially, Muslim feminist and scholar Amina Wadud has led prayer services for mixed congregations. in New York City and London.’ (Online article, published in June, 2017).