I have just read the thread about Bonobo apes and other threads and I feel I have to write to defend non believers from a general inference from some people that they are less moral or upright than the average Christian. As a non believer I don't generally; murder people, have wild unrestrained sex, or steal things. My behavour and I suggest most non believers would actually be applauded by Christians if they (non believers) added the small subset of believe to their lives. In other words their actions are on a par with Christians. I am not allowed legally to discriminate against Christians (and rightly so) but Christians are generally allowed to disciminate against non believers. In the USA non believers are the largest group that are allowed legally to be disciminated against. There is a lot of angst here against pro gay groups or other various "human rights" causes but I feel being a N.B. is only incidental to these causes. Just because I'm a N.B. doesn't mean I'm pro gay or premarital sex or any other particular cause such as legalised prostitution. I bring up prostitution because recently here in NZ a church objected to a brothel opening up because it was near a primary school. The brothel proponents reposted that young children were probably at more risk from church people (also nearby) than brothel clients and practitioners and in all honesty I tend to agree with them. Most non believers are not evangelistic , non believers are not your enemies "indifference" is. I have read a report-study-survey from America about non believers and Christians behavour and they found a fly on the wall would not be able to tell a Christian and a N.B. apart except the Christian went to a particular building on Sundays. Both groups are just as likely to steel, watch pornography, and cheat on their spouses. These interesting stat's were mentioned in the "Hypocrites" chapter of the report. Just my little rant, I feel better now.