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  1. CFLawrence

    CFLawrence Member

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    So this is the deal. I found a church I thought I loved, but it has turned out that due to personality conflicts it has become an uncomfortable place for me. I’m not going to bash anyone, I’m willing to believe I’m just difficult, the whole problem is me!

    So, I don’t want to go church shopping again, I simply don’t have the energy anymore to deal with politics and cliques. I have firmly decided to get up on Sunday morning, make tea, and watch/listen to Mass online.

    Period. I’m done. Online Mass it is.

    What do you think?
     
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    Botolph Well-Known Member

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    I understand the desire not to go Church shopping. I had a go at it a while back, and ended up staying put, sometimes perhaps just. We don't go the church for the priest, and we don't go to church because everyone is lovely. The challenge is when everyone is not lovely, and when the conduct of liturgical worship is (struggling for a word) and we still go. I can see the attractiveness of the idea, but I also struggle with it as we are a faith built on the incarnation.

    Allow me to share a ditty from Sydney Carter, that may at least cause you to smile, as it does me often.

    Robinson Crusoe
    Sydney Carter
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    Robinson Crusoe
    had no bottom he could
    kick, when he felt like it,
    except his own.
    Hell may be other people:
    that is what
    Robinson needed and,
    at last, he got.​
     
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    I can understand your feeling, having atteneded a congregation that went though some rough times due to personalities before principle, and chewed up a few clergy prior to their departure. The Church is a perfect place, filled with imperfect people, and frankly stuff happens when you bring people into it. That does not defer from the Church itself. However, I am a firm believer in being an active participant in the Church, and had to search for a new congregation myself. I'd recommend reading "Life Together" by Dietrich Bonhoeffer on the hows/whys of the importance of being active in a Church
     
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    I have been through church conflicts too, enough to make me sometimes ponder whether to keep trying. But as Jeffg noted, the church is made up of imperfect people - and I am certainly one of those.

    For myself, years ago I decided that Hebrews 10:25 ("Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.") means that we should indeed keep trying and striving to be part of a local church.

    I second the recommendation of "Life Together".
     
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    Peteprint Well-Known Member Anglican

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    That is a beautiful verse, Will. If the day ever comes when all Christians stay at home and worship on the net, that will be a very sad day. But it won't, so I won't worry about it.
     
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    Indeed. I could never stay home and just watch. I'd be missing out on so much. Most importantly Holy Communion, active participation/interaction and fellowship of which I'd not be able to do just watching it. However, I can only speak for myself.
     
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    Peteprint Well-Known Member Anglican

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    Exactly. I can hear all the sermons or homilies I want online, as well as hymns and even the liturgy. What I can't do is take Holy Communion online; it is the main reason I attend services.
     
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    anglican74 Well-Known Member Anglican

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    The sacrament, yes, but also the communal worship, are some of the spiritual prizes of personal attendance

    Not to mention the spiritual formation of one and one's family among the body of the faithful
     
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    Personality conflicts? With whom? Do you refer to other parishioners or to the pastor?

    I can picture in my mind a good many churches in which it would be easy to avoid personality conflicts, merely be staying aloof and not getting to know anyone or letting them know you. Anonymously one enters, attends, receives, and leaves. It's not ideal, but a great many people seem to do just that! Roman churches were always especially easy to be anonymous in, in my younger days (maybe they've changed though); but I've experienced it in many other churches also. (I don't need or want to be anonymous in my present church, thankfully.)

    If there's someone in the congregation you don't like, you should be able to avoid the person. If you can't stand the pastor... well, that's more difficult to overlook, since it's hard for a sheep to follow a shepherd he finds stinky.

    The best thing you can do right now is, ask the Holy Spirit to show you what to do and where to go. He will lead you in peace to the right pasture where He wants you to graze. Try not to be self-willed and self-determinative about it, but yield yourself to the Lord and trust Him, because He knows what is best for you.

    Col 3:12 Put on, therefore, as choice ones of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humble-mindedness, meekness, long-suffering,
    Col 3:13 forbearing one another, and forgiving each other, if any one with any one may have a quarrel, as also the Christ did forgive you--so also ye;
    Col 3:14 and above all these things, have love, which is a bond of the perfection,
    Col 3:15 and let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also ye were called in one body, and become thankful.

    Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
    Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
     

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