You wrote: Do you imagine that in the CofE a candidate for the Anglican Priesthood's testimony, as to calling, is merely accepted at face value, then they are accepted for ordination? I don't know what experience you have of the process but that is not the way it works at all. A great deal of enquiry into very personal history is involved, along with psychiatric, and psychological profiles looked into, spiritual and doctrinal profiles drawn up and references sought, before ordination goes ahead. Every ordinee's profession is 'tested'. I wrote: You answered: Correction: Women have been barred by men who claim the authority of scripture and 1600 years of male church tradition, as their, supposedly, valid reasons for debarring them. You nor any other man or woman knows whether God has called any man or woman to minister to Christ's flock. God simply does not consult the likes of you, or me or any other man or woman on the matter. God is sovereign. His call is known only to the person called. 1600 years of men denying women CAN be called by God, is 1600 years of MEN telling God what to do, and who to call. That had to stop sometime. Pity it still goes on in some places. The OT Levitical Priests and High Priest were living in a profoundly patriarchal society, where women and children were of such low regard, their testimony was not even accepted in court to establish truth. Christ had women disciples, (many of his, at least 70, disciples), may have been man and wife, and there is even an instance in scripture of a New Testament female designated an Apostle by St Paul. Only after 300 AD, when the church was once again infected by the selfish and dominating spirit of misogyny that permeated Jewish and Roman, Pagan society, (and had not until then seriously infected the church), were women once again subjugated, vilified and demoted to the status of servants, slaves or domestic skivvies and heir producers, by the increasingly patristic 'authorities', by now, (after Constantine), ever more secular, than spiritual. You wrote: Women have been 'called' and 'chosen' ever since The Virgin Mary was 'called' and 'chosen', and probably before that too. "Pharisaical Gatekeepers" have been keeping them silent and denying their 'calling', for 1700 years or more. I will not even offer the rest of your assertions in this paragraph, the dignity of an answer. I wrote: You replied: You clearly do not understand the symbolism behind Jesus' actions in Jn.13:1-20. Read this link. Then read this link: I wrote: You wrote: Then you clearly have not read Jn.13:1-20 with very much insight. "For I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you. Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them." You must surely be aware that Jesus was speaking to 11 of his Apostles, and insisting that they be either 'servants' or nothing to do with HIM.