How to approach the Blessed Virgin Mary

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  1. Othniel

    Othniel Active Member Typist

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    The Articles of Religion:

    XXII.
    Of Purgatory.
    THe Romish Doctrine concerning Purgatory, Pardons, Worshipping and Adoration, as well of Images, as of Reliques; and also Invocation of Saints, is a fond thing, vainly invented, & grounded upon no Warranty of Scripture, but rather Repugnant to the Word of God.
     
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    Now in French:

    Je vous salue, Marie pleine de grâce ;
    le Seigneur est avec vous.
    Vous êtes bénie entre toutes les femmes
    et Jésus,
    le fruit de vos entrailles, est béni.
    Sainte Marie, Mère de Dieu,
    priez pour nous pauvres pécheurs,
    maintenant et à l’heure de notre mort.

    And now in German:

    Gegrüßet seist du, Maria, voll der Gnade,
    der Herr ist mit dir.
    Du bist gebenedeit unter den Frauen,
    und gebenedeit ist die Frucht deines Leibes, Jesus.
    Heilige Maria, Mutter Gottes,
    bitte für uns Sünder
    jetzt und in der Stunde unseres Todes.
     
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    XXII : The Romish Doctrine concerning Purgatory, Pardons, Worshipping and Adoration, as well of images as of Reliques, and also invocation of saints, is a fond thing vainly invented, and grounded upon no warranty of scripture, but rather repugnant to the Word of God.

    39 Articles of Religion of the Anglican Church.
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  4. Silvan

    Silvan Active Member

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    And who wrote those articles? :)
     
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    The Convocation of 1563. Essentially the 2o Bishops of England and a bunch of deans, archdeacons and elected clergy. They are the foundational documents of the Anglican faith.
     
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    PDL Well-Known Member Anglican

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    To approach as a transitive verb can mean the way one thinks about, ponders on, etc. something.
     
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    Since we have a right to "come boldly to the throne of grace" and speak directly with Jesus who forever lives to intercede for us as our high priest, I do not feel any urge, need, or desire to pray to Mary or to ponder about her. To God be all the glory. Jesus is the one who is deserving of all our attention.
     
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    I know all that! :)
    But a friendly "Ave Maria!" now and then cannot be amiss. :)
     
  9. Othniel

    Othniel Active Member Typist

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    The Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
    The Collect.

    WE beseech thee, O Lord, pour thy grace into our hearts; that, as we have known the incarnation of thy Son Jesus Christ by the message of an angel, so by his cross and passion we may be brought unto the glory of his resurrection; through the same Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

    For the Epistle. Isaiah 7. 10.

    MOREOVER, the Lord spake again unto Ahaz, saying, Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the Lord. And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

    The Gospel. St. Luke 1. 26.
    AND in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
     
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    Verily, verily, I say unto thee: I love that kind of English!
    Dost thou love it, too?
    Then go forth and do likewise! :)
     
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    For someone who perceives simple answers as insults, you sure appear to enjoy mocking others and the foundational doctrines and documents of this forum.
     
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    I detected no such mockery in the quotation.
     
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    OMG!
    Mockery was the last of my intentions.
    It is like this: I like languages.
    And I like playing with words and different styles of languages.
    Be sure that I won't ever do it again in with any posting of yours.
     
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    Neither did I! :)
     
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    Othniel Active Member Typist

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    The wilful ignorance of resources provided on this very site, or directly referenced across the forum and hosted works, in this thread alone, let alone others, has been less than honest or charitable.

    directly in reference to the relevant feast-day collect to the thread at large, and to the prior posts, has no true connection than to mock the language of the Prayer-book.
    That is to say nothing of other threads.
     
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    You're free to take it that way if you wish. I didn't take it that way.
     
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    I do hope that some innocent linguistic humour is allowed here. :)
     
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    By the same notion an "ave Maria!" can also not provide any benefit.

    It is one thing to play with words, it is another to intend purposes outside the purview of Scriptural allowances and in direct conflict with your confessions. Yet, such is often the Anglican way, to lift up Romanism and downplay one's own supposed theological groundings. These aren't new arguments, they certainly aren't going anywhere, and with hundreds of years of evidenced presuppositions based on linguistical applications, maybe you should be a bit wiser with how you speak of the things of the church. Creeds, confessions, councils, synods, all the same, had pertinent and specific verbiage, carefully applied and proffered. So as to not get caught up in "playing with words and different styles of languages".

    I don't mean to seem harsh are obtuse but there are things of a serious nature that purposeful play and joking just shouldn't touch.

    Ah, I see your profile says Catholic, makes more sense now. Hence why you aren't upholding the distinctives and doctrines of the Anglican church.
     
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    I'm not sure if Silvan upholds the doctrines of the Roman Church either. I always thought that the Romans believed in original sin as well. There are a number of ex-Romanists one often finds on Reddit or elsewhere that flee to Anglicanism because they think it is less "strict" on issues such as sodomy, salvation, abortion, and many social issues. They don't really care all that much about the Anglican expression of Christianity (traditionally), the creeds, councils, 39 articles, or even the BCP. But as long as Anglicans don't tell them sin is bad, they're all in!
     
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    I am not after any benefit or profit.