Homosexuality and repairative therapy

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  1. BibleHoarder

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    I want to know what you guys think of this subject. There is the claim that homosexuality is influenced by certain parenting, like lack of bonding with a same-sex relative and such. They say gays have envy for men who have things they feel are missing in them, and it certainly does seem true for many gays I've known who've grown up that way. However, I have to make it clear that I am a homosexual. My life does seem to fit this description with feeling isolated from a masculine identity where men made me feel threatened. My dad was very mean to me growing up and I often felt pressured to conform to his view of how I should act, but didn't want to because he was such a demon, and wanted to be more like my mom. I had homosexual attractions at a young age, but I also had taboo fantasies and thoughts such as sex with relatives, including my father. Now, my abusive doctor who I have escaped and am healing from, rejected the bonding theory and said gays were born that way and have sexual fantasies of their fathers, brothers. etc. since young (he tried to encourage me to practice incest, which I said no, even if I had those thoughts). He said it was normal and that he didn't mind if parents had sex with their children. Initially, I denied it, but he found out I had these thoughts when he told his staff that I wanted to screw my father, and I said, "I didn't say it like that." and he said, "See? He does, that was a freudian slip." He did it to humiliate me in front of the staff who cooperated in abusing me. He also used it against me to say Christians who've been delivered are all liars and that I was wrong for being convinced that incest, pedophilia, and homosexuality are all sin. Repairative therapy is hard to understand. Some proscribe bonding with other same-sex friends or whatever to help 'heal' the attractions, but I don't really want to bond with someone I don't find sexually attractive and might want to have sex with. Also, I have seen websites and ex-gay 'ministries' like Your Other Brothers which seem eerily gratuitous, having semi-pornographic accounts of erotic fascinations, and encouraging borderline foreplay with other men in order to make these attractions go away, for which there has never been an accurate proscribed amount known to cure homosexuality. Also, another thing that disturbs me about these 'healing' ministries is that they have pictures of sexually attractive men in their photos that would totally float with gay men. The idea of sexual attraction and not just gender being a key player in relieving these attractions seems suspicious. Please let me know what you think, if you believe in some non-genetic basis for homosexuality, or if having these perverted thoughts is compatible with the idea that our inclinations are also not innate.

    This was always very difficult for me to say openly but for some reason it's not so bad now.

    P.S.: Tiffy, do not reply to this. I don't want to hear your opinion on anything, and I have you ignored.
     
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    anglican74 Well-Known Member Anglican

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    Whoa
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    Have you seen therapists about all this? How did you get surrounded by such sick people? Even the therapist you saw is an absolute abomination, hardly a human being himself...

    You yourself seem quite wholesome and godly to me, trying to do good :)

    Please know that I am praying for you brother,
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    Thank you. I am going to see a Christian counselor in the next few days. I am trying to heal from the scars that doctor put on me. People are starting to say it's unbelievable and even that I am lying because of the extent of what he did that I am describing. My sister, who has had experiences with battling the occult and demonic as a devout Christian, said it sounded like an attack from Satan specifically geared towards certain people like myself. I am going to ask my counselor if I should report him, but I don't know if it will do anything because the system is so corrupt, and like with the posts people have left me on forums, I may be dismissed as a religious lunatic and have to rely entirely on God for retribution and justice. It's a very painful process.
     
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    Christian counseling is the way to go, 100%... I'm hearing that cultural marxists are beginning to take over the secular counseling/psychology positions
     
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    I am tired of repeating everything my doctor said, but they did say communists were doing the right thing if it meant persecuting Christians. The staff member who worked for him said "If we have to become communists and be f***ing meaner, and more selfish, then that's the way it'll be."
     
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    How did you get involved with these fascist communists? I would think that in assembling all these Bibles that you would collect warm Christian friendships as well?
     
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    I haven't spent enough time as I should in Christian communities. I've been exorcising atheopathic toxins ingrained into my mind since young. Very vulnerable at the moment. I am just starting to find out how much 'scientific' research we have available is either false or exaggerated. Atheist propaganda can seem logical on the surface, but is entirely bombast or unrealistic. I am at a point where I mine as well just call any scientific research that is not being done for the glory of God the work of Satan. Most of it is being formulated to destroy moral and ethical foundations, obviously Christian ones, which are actually quite reasonable now that I think of it.

    When my psychiatrist tried to shame me on condemning the sexual sins I mentioned, saying there are no good arguments for any of them, I did not have a detailed response, I just said I did not know anyone practicing them to produce any spiritual fruits as the ones who live a Godly life. For instance, if you read blogs by 'gay christians', you can see that the majority of them do not just stop with the idea of God condoning gay marriage. They often joke about having premarital sex in church, deny biblical inerrancy on the more difficult subjects (Hell, the OT laws, and other things being obvious targets), and do not even have a very deep theology that is beyond the new age tripe you see on Oprah. Most of the suffering of the gay community is not the fault of society as often claimed, but largely innate to what the practice produces, regardless of whether a definitive cause can be claimed for how it forms in people. The idea of oxytocin and vassopressin is another critical link for people looking for scientific arguments. Not only is it important in understanding why premarital sex is not as nature intended, but also for refuting the arguments of gay love somehow being superior to heterosexuals, a desperate attempt to make them feel special because of societal pressure. Oxytocin and Vassopressin are indeed produced in both men and women, but one produces more than the other. The idea is that one gender bonds emotionally and the other becomes protective. This also explains why promiscuity is emotionally damaging, and breakups with partners who've been sexually active are more painful. Of course, once you have sex either in or outside of marriage, it's hard to understand from experience what the opposite would've been like, but I can see from the way society has been ruined by unexpected pregnancies and STDs post-sexual revolution that it is not good. People who have been promiscuous outside of marriage who've had a partner leave them usually feel so emotionally distraught that they tend to want to have sex again to recover and this leads to people desperately seeking sex with a person immediately without any commitment, and that causes premature bonding, which, without a solid foundation in relationships beforehand, isn't likely to be as stable and guarantee another breakup and emotional collapse. But if the constant sex-seeking continues in this manner, it eventually becomes weaker and desensitized and ruins the power of sex to maintain relationships as it was intended. People of the same sex can only produce one of these, and usually it will cause an imbalance. When people point to gays clinging to each other like monkeys as evidence that their love is more beautiful than heterosexuals, what they are approving is a deceptively charming symptom of a destructive, co-dependent relationship. Very possessive and out of whack. There are a number of problems with gays that I know from being among them online and also with people who had lesbian relatives that I believe, again, are their fault and not something to be praised. For example, when gay men appear on pornographic social media sites, they always want sex, have no problem with promiscuity, and often make fun of monogamy and chastity as weak. They try to make themselves seem open-minded and tolerant by 'supporting' marriage. They want to poke holes in the normalcy of heterosexuals, citing the amount of secret gay liasions by allegedly straight men, because they know how embarrassing and shallow their culture is. But in reality, they could care less, and in the meantime, will often tout their promiscuity while saying "Marriage is not my thing, but I'm OK with it if someone wants it." They will also make fun of it as prudish and weak. Gays have extremely liberal progressive agendas, proving the "one thing leads to another" accusation and often see marriage as an archaic nuisance to society. You will find many romantic accounts of pedophilia experiences on gay message boards (some may even be blatantly false, because people who are obsessed with porn are often very sheltered and introverted, one guy on a gay site even claimed he preferred living with porn over actual people) again, proving the allegations of grooming and pedophilia to be true. The moderators often will say nothing of it, unless someone who is more conservative or religious points it out. Only then is it denied and defended to make the gays seem more normal or to pretend the problems don't exist. I know from the testimonies of other gays and lesbians who've found deliverance, and from the fatigue brought on my porn itself (very awful side effects, it truly is like drugs) that the stories you here of emotional dissatisfaction from obessions with lust or unbalanced relationships is very highly probably true.

    Incest and pedophilia are claimed by some liberals as OK if they're consentual. The problem is that these acts are so often committed in a certain state of power and confidentiality, that the capacity to commit abuse is too easy that even allowing it for the few times it supposedly would not hurt anyone is not worth it, same with the prostitution industry. Even consenting adults participating in incest send this same message. Another good objection brought up by someone I knew is that it discourages people from branching out to mingle with other families and thus more diverse genetics, less likely to give incest babies. Even people who produce good incest babies from time to time will still produce bad ones. Serious relationships, even with contraceptives, are always likely to give way to the possibility of procreation. Abortion and attempts to regulate population control instead of allowing the process to happen naturally within a normal human environment have injected faulty 'rationalism' into a situation that is best left untouched (much like Jurassic Park, the scientists think they know exactly how much or little of the environment the dinosaurs need, but realize it is difficult to replicate. That's like how animals behave differently in captivity and won't breed, because they don't know exactly what it is that motivates them, or have interfered with the process.)

    Pedophilia, in addition to having the same problems as incest in terms of power/secrecy abuse, also is abnormal as the children grow into a relationship with uneven age groups. Mother/Father relationships are supposed to help the child develop and be nurtured in a much different way than Wife/Husband. The book Cheri (a classic of french literature) details the relationship of a younger rich, spoiled man and his older cougar lover who is a retired courtesan. As she gets older and becomes poorer, he can no longer depend on her to pamper him, since she is losing her beauty and wealth, and stability. In the end, she tells him to go off on his own and be independent, taking interest in a wife of his own age. Intergenerational attraction more often than not, is driven by the idea that the person 'acts their age'. The two will mature at different stages, if at all. If a woman wants a man who is younger than her by far, and acts his age, but she acts hers, she can expect his maturity to affect their relations when she is past her prime. Some could make the argument for very rare instances that a child who is attracted to an adult is precocious, ahead of their time, more adult-like. However, children of this sort are known to suffer nonetheless from conflicts of expectations by society, and are better off being discouraged from being romantically involved with adults, again, because of the message it sends to a wider, more general population that is not up to snuff to handle relationships with the kind of fidelity and practicality that they would need to work. The idea of prodigies and precocious children astounds us because it is the exception, not the rule, and we should not expect that to change anytime soon, as it is with cases where the sexual sins mentioned are allegedly 'harmless', according to advocates.
     
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    Well there’s the problem right there..

    I’m not a fundamentalist but even I have come to the view that we must once again live surrounded by Christians (or at least good decent people)... and a common shared worldview


    Sure we can have an opening for 1 different person in a surrounding of 20-30 like minded friends

    But I see so many people who are surrounded by 20-30 “difference” and just 1 like minded friend, which can’t help but yield an enormous amount of anxiety
     
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    Indeed. I've spent the last 20 years of my life living online. After the age of 10-11, when I left the apartments I grew up in, I stopped seeing people outside my family and their friends, except through occasional talks I had with strangers in public places. I was mostly an introvert and still am. I just recently started making it a habit to go to my mother's evangelical church. Good place with a very supportive community and nothing too crazy. On the internet, however, I faced a lot of persecution and would often feel like downplaying my faith to gain acceptance. That, and I got tired of hanging around on internet communities that were vehemently anti-Christian and having to hear that all the time. I am glad I am pulling away from it and getting more serious about God, though. I need the community's support, and spending time reading apologetics, the bible, and other edifying material to help me grow in my spiritual life. That, and using my talents for the Lord whenever possible instead of self-glorification as I have often felt the temptation to do.
     

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