https://www.reddit.com/r/Reformed/comments/g7tccb/is_the_trap_of_complacency_in_reformed_churches/ Is the trap of complacency in Reformed churches cultural or rooted in our failure to understand our theology? I truly appreciate everyone's sensitivity and well thought out arguments on this sub even with disagreement. I'm going to throw out what I see as a massive problem in the many reformed, I'll say Presbyterian PCA, since that's what I know churches. That's the lack of fruits to serve out the both the great commission and just fundamentally, service to our neighbors, friends, and other members. I've been in a southern PCA church for 30 years. Have served as a Deacon, led worship, run finances. Truly apart from preaching, I think I have done it all. But, the truth is, we are a very self focused community. What really spurred this was a Paul David Tripp comment that we act as Functional Atheists. I start running down the list of people I have known in the church for years and quite a few, even that have served as elders and deacons, have little to show for a life transformed by Christ. We have launched ministries and many falter due to verbal support from leadership, but lack their physical commitment. I have seen this in other southern PCA Churches as well. Now, we have always had great Biblically based teaching and our officer training was an intense year long deep dive into Theology, so the basis was there, but something was clearly wrong. —— and the top reply is no less fascinating: —— It’s really frustrating sometimes to see stuff like this because more than any other place, I see Reformed use the “you will know them by their fruits” justification against so many, while having a huge blind spot regarding our own tradition and people. One would legitimately think that with the proper theological framework, the love and gratitude of the Christian toward God would be immediate and be overflowing as good works... but it just isn’t many times. There’s a combination of things at work though I think it’s mostly from how Reformed people have historically interacted with our theology I tend to agree. In my own experience, folks who have been strongly immersed in Reformed theology have become inert, passive-aggressive, proud and yet rather secular.