Are you for female priests and bishops etc?

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Are you for female priests etc ….

  1. Yes

    52.2%
  2. No

    47.8%
  1. Tiffy

    Tiffy Well-Known Member

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    But what does this statistic actually indicate?

    For me, it indicates that 11 'believers' out of 22 on this forum 'believe' that something magical takes place at the moment of consecration that can only be done effectively by a MAN. Or perhaps, rather, that the 'magic change' that they believe must happen, is actually done by God, not by the man, but God refuses to do this 'magic transformation' whenever a mere woman asks, even though she says the same words and does whatever would have been done the same by a man, to ask for it to actually happen.

    I don't know about anyone else, but people claiming to be 'believers' refusing to receive communion if celebrated by a woman, seems to me to be suspiciously superstitious and lacking in faith, thinking that God would refuse to turn up upon the altar, in the bread and wine, just because it's not a man saying the words and handling the elements.

    Conversely it seems the statistics indicate that 11 out of the 22 'believers' who registered a vote believe that God will willingly turn up, (in fact is probably already with us 'at all times and in all places'), making Himself available to us, providing us with sustenance in this life and the next, according to His promises to mankind, in Jesus Christ Our Lord. God, in Christ, ( this 11 seem to 'believe' ), keeps his promise to be with us until the end of time, regardless of whether it was a man or a woman who said the words, handled the elements, and celebrated the Eucharist, (thanksgiving).

    From this small sample, I personally conclude, the church is 50% superstitious, believing that men only can do the magic required to turn bread into flesh and the wine into blood, with only 50% believing in God's Grace and merciful impartiality to the blessed human condition in which He originally made us, male and female, and to which God, in Christ, has graceously restored us all.

    I have to admit, however, I'm not at all sure myself that my conclusions are warranted, unbiassed or even logical, extracted, as they are, just from the numerical results of this survey. :laugh:
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  2. Br. Thomas

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    Is this a contest?
     
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    The great line I recall from Chariots of Fire went something along the lines of The Kingdom of God is not a Democracy, God is not seeking re-election and it is the problem we have with poll-driven policies that leaders become followers. There was a great interview in Australia many years ago now, where Pauline Hanson asked the then Prime Minister what sort of leader does not follow public opinion. John Howard looked up quietly and said I think that would be a leader!

    People are not guilty because of public opinion but are held to be guilty following a trial and a proper weighing of the evidence. Even then it can be wrong. Truth is not established based on a conversation at the pub. Many people believed that the Sun revolved around the earth, and for them that was the truth, however, now most people believe that the earth revolves around the sun. The thing is, we may still be wrong, yet that is our nearest apprehension of the truth for the moment. Truth is ultimately unchanging, and our purpose is to seek after it, ultimately acknowledging that on this side of eternitywe may never be absolutely certain of it.

    As Paul said, now we see in a glass darkly
     
  4. Tiffy

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    Some might think so, and what's more they might be thinking it's a contest which decides whether or not a supposed majority are truly 'Anglican believers', having chosen their denomination and churchmanship with respect to their voting preferences.
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    you dont understand

    it is only meant as an info
     
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    I thought someone was about to touch on this in an earlier response, but then it just didn’t happen. It appears that 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 is a later addition to the text. The authorship of 1 Timothy, where a similar prohibition of women exercising leadership in churches is found, has also been disputed. What are you to make of this?
     
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    Would this help? And the quotation from the ICB was this.

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    God told Adam, but not Eve. Adam told Eve, else she would not have known, and the information got altered in translation or she got the warning slightly wrong. (The whole human race has suffered from miscommunication and wrong information concerning God ever since).
    No! Those that are genuine, have been chosen by the church, wisely. Those that arn't are there through the church choosing 'worldly'. 'You shall know them by their fruit'. Not by their wealth and education.
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