Come on brother Consular you know you love the banter... I will concede the one about the flat earth - although I do come up for re-eclection as the president of the World is Flat Society next month. Basically what I am saying is that what was declared as truth in times gone past may not necessarily be the truth in the future, simply because something is declared as the truth does not make it so. You know yourself that Spong denies the Divinity of Christ so how can that make him a Christian - this is an example of the bad fruit I was talking to Stalwart about. But hey don't let me stop you from trying to fathom the unfathomable.