Anglicanism and Lutheranism

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  1. Traditionalist

    Traditionalist New Member

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    Why should I choose being Anglican over being a Confessional Lutheran? After all they are more doctrinally unified i.e. The Book of Concord. Another question is that why Anglicanism is so doctrinally broad? For example, Anglo-Catholics versus Reformed Anglicans.
  2. Peteprint

    Peteprint Well-Known Member Anglican

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    I could not be Lutheran (though I do respect them) due to their theology, which is monergistic. I am a synergist, and I believe in conditional election (as do Arminians, most Roman Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox).

    Aside from this, Lutheran soteriological theology is not logical or consistent, something which their theologians often admit is the case.: "Calvinism and Arminianism, two logically consistent, but un-Biblical systems (in their opinion), and Lutheranism, the logically inconsistent yet Biblical system.

    This blog posting covers the subject fairly well:

    When confronted with the fact that their system is not logical (while Calvinists and Arminians believe that their systems are), Lutherans will say something to the effect, "it may not be logical, but it is what Scripture teaches."

    Again, it is my rejection of monergism that would prevent me from becoming Lutheran (or Calvinist).

    Lutheranism occupies what is, in essence, a half-way house between Calvinism and Arminianism. I have a lot of respect for Lutherans I know; I just can't accept their theology on many issues.

    The reason that Anglicanism is so broad theologically is, in my opinion, due to the fact that the desire for a national church in England resulted in it being as accommodating as possible to different persons. No single party was allowed to take over the Church of England completely and compromise was the usual way of dealing with differences. Only those who were insistent about certain issues eventually left, either going to Rome, or joining another sect such as the Puritans, Methodists, etc.
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  3. Stalwart

    Stalwart Well-Known Member Anglican

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    They are more unified, but they're unified around a core of ideas which contains at least two essential, fundamental mistakes which have prevented them from having the fullness of the Church.

    1. Liturgy: they don't have a liturgy (not any longer). They used to have one unified liturgy during the 16th century, the German Mass of Martin Luther and the great Lutheran doctors. However because of a key error in theology, they have let the liturgy be dictated by the princes, and over time you resulted in a hundred different liturgies over the course of 17th and 18th centuries. Lutherans living in the 19th and 20th centuries have come to believe that there isn't a one liturgy, and there doesn't NEED to be a one liturgy.

    2. Episcopacy: they don't have one any longer (except for a few places).

    So you're talking about a "theologically unified" people whose churchmanship is run by guys in secular suits with weird titles like "president"; and with a haphazard worship that doesn't have to be a liturgy.

    Disobedience. Both camps of that divide stray from the doctrine as laid out in the Anglican tradition.

    Anglican doctrine is extremely clear and precise on whatever question may be asked: the sacraments, marriage, divorce, abortion, contraception, bishops, episcopacy, priesthood, the liturgy, Scripture, tradition, sanctification, justification, election, reprobation, baptism, regeneration, communion, real presence, and even on the accessory issues like architecture, and sacred music.
  4. Fidei Defensor

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    Lutherans greatest gifts are the Solas:

    Sola Gratia: Saved by Grace Alone (Acts 15:11)
    Sola Fide: Through Faith Alone (Phil 2:9)
    Solus Christus: In Christ Alone (Acts 4:10-12)
    Sola Scriptura: According to Scripture Alone (2 Timothy 3:16)
    Soli del Gloria: Glory Be to God Alone

    Their emphasis that Jesus saves you and only faith in Him and His grace is sufficent for justification is Scriptural (Eph 2:5-9, John 3:16-18, John 6:40, John 17:3, Acts 15:7-11, Acts 4:10-12, Philippians 3:9, Romans 10:9-10, Galatians 2:21, Galatians 5:4).

    Martin Luther’s Small Catechism is useful for teaching youth.

    Luther’s teaching on images: should we have crosses, crucifixes, and images of holy persons? is very balanced; he suggests its up to each individual’s conscience on whither they should have images, and that no one should forbid images. (The 95 Theses and Other Writings, Eight Sermons in Lent, Martin Luther, Penguin Classics)

    The major problem after the Solas and Small Catechism, is that Martin Luther varied in his teaching over his life time drastically, so that pinpointing what to keep or spit out is difficult; for instance there is Roman Catholic Luther who only protests indulgences, Luther who discovers the love of God, Augsburg Luther, Luther who defies the Papacy and burns the Papal Bull and calls the Pope Antichrist, Luther the Husband, Luther the Antisemite, and Luther who is disillusioned and wished he had reformed the RCC from within. Choosing and picking Luther’s teachings is tough, because much of what he writes earlier, in between, and later can be at variance with each other.

    We should thank Luther for starting The Reformation on Oct 31, 1517. His grievances helped the English Reforms to come to pass as well, even if indirectly.

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