Breaking: Pope Francis suppresses widespread use of the Latin Mass worldwide

A big news is happening: this morning the Pope has just suppressed the widespread usage of the Latin Mass around the world. In effect it is a revocation of Benedict XVI's effort to bring the Latin Mass back into greater use in the Roman church.

Source article: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...extraordinary-form-masses-in-new-motu-proprio

My condolences to our traditional brethren over in Rome. While the Latin Mass had a number of problems and fell short of the church fathers and scripture, it was still a monument, and rose high above the 1969 modernist "Novus Ordo" mass, which remains as the only allowed Roman liturgy from now on.

What this means now, is that the Anglican 1662 is now effectively the oldest Western liturgy in widespread usage in the world. And there is no Pope among us to abrogate our treasure, and our monument. Let us all pray for our brothers and the Church.

 

I have appreciated their attention to reverent ceremony.. we need more of that in our world…… The world has become more plastic and flat. Very sad

We need to grow our own version of that, indeed

 

Wow, I never imagined such a thing would ever be!

 

The Eastern Rite clergy are hoping and expecting this decision to drive many of those who prefer the Extraordinary Form into their churches.

 

Authoritarianism showing its true colors. Their willingness to continue destroying their own tradition never ceases to amaze and puzzle me. It's never been clear to me why anyone would actually want to celebrate the post-VCII liturgy.

 

Some comments have already begun to pop up in the media:

WE RESIST FRANCIS TO HIS FACE: Pachamama Pope Anathematizes Latin Mass

ANALYSIS: Pope restricts ‘divisive’ Traditional Latin Mass, says 52-yr-old Novus Ordo is ‘unique expression’ of Church’s liturgy

 

Maybe they will flee to traditional Anglicanism. Sad day

 

press F to pay respects

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ct-reimposes-restrictions-latin-mass-78880197

‘Francis, 84, issued a new law requiring individual bishops to approve celebrations of the old Mass, also called the Tridentine Mass, and requiring newly ordained priests to receive explicit permission to celebrate it from their bishops, in consultation with the Vatican.‘

Knowing the attitudes of RC bishops and the Vatican, this has essentially banned the rite, especially with how stringent these restrictions are, it’s effectively impossible to get permission.

 

I see where Francis is coming from on this issue. Two radically different ways of saying Mass is, in his mind, a cause of division within the RCC that could fracture it. As does rejection of Vatican II among the Latin Mass adherents. He is cracking down because he thinks it is necessary to do so in order to avoid the break.

But Francis lives in an ivory tower, so to speak. The cause of division will not cease with the cessation of Latin Mass. His action might even hasten the growth of the rift.

 

Just yet one more case of the church arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, while the world goes to hell in a handcart.

 

With the RC hierarchy it appears to be more about control (trying to not lose control of their members) rather than arguing over minutia. Of course they're botching it and may precipitate greater losses.

 

It’s because they don’t realize that we’re all Protestants now. The hierarchy wanted a Church unified under one leader (going back to Vatican I) and now that’s the only vestige of unity they have left. In every other respect it is a Church in irreparable internal schism.

 

I think, first, we need to be clear about what we say. It is the way to get clear discussion and thought.

Pope Francis has not banned Latin Mass. Latin is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). Any RCC bishop or priest can celebrate the Mass in Latin.

What Pope Francis has banned, to a certain degree, is the use of the edition of the Roman Missal published in 1962 during the pontificate of Pope John XXIII*. He has said that the edition of the Missal to be used is the 2002 edition issued by Pope John Paul II but which only received an apporved English translation in 2011.

If you read around the subject of the Mass in the RCC you will find that unity has never meant rigid uniformity. The Roman Rite is not the only rite authorised in the RCC.

From what I am reading this edict from Pope Francis leaves a great degree of uncertainty in some parts of the RCC. For example, what effect will it have on the Divine Worship Mass of the personal ordinariates in Great Bristain, Australia and North America?

*Pope Benedict XVI officially called in the 'Extraordinary Form', whilst those who prefer it call it the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) or the usus antiquior (apologies is my Latin is wrong).

 

If you meant the Tridentine Mass, then no, the Pope has just abrogated that permission for priests, with the Edict under discussion.

If you meant the Novus Ordo, then that is definitely not said in Latin.

That hasn’t been true for some time. Almost all recent documents have been written in modern languages. For example this most recent Edict was written in Italian.

 

There are some NO services said in Latin. It is not common but also not unheard of.

 

If a church wishes to, they can deliver the Novus Ordo in Latin. It is not definitely said in any language, that's the whole point of a uniform liturgy. In the US they would deliver it in English. In Francis's hometown of Buenos Aires they would deliver it in Spanish. In most of China they deliver it in Mandarin. In Southern China they deliver it in Cantonese. And, in the old school traditional churches for those that are into it, they deliver the Ordinary Form in Latin.

The official language of the Roman Church remains Latin. All official documents are published in Latin, and whatever other languages make sense. The Latin version is the official version in all cases, even if the original manuscript was written in another language. They have an entire department that exists just to make sure the correct intent of every official document is translated into Latin for every bishop's official writings, and even if necessary every priest. This has been highlighted as a problem, as the department gets smaller and smaller, and now the official text is sometimes not released until months after the original text - meaning if there ever was a disparity in translation there may be a bit of difficulty resolving if an actual breach has occured, and if the original copy was also the official until the release of the Latin. It's all very silly but I appreciate this sort of wasteful bureaucratic focus on tradition. It reminds us of the past in a satisfying way.

The actual operating language of the Roman church naturally varies, but in the Curia I would assume most tend to speak and write in Italian.

 

Yes, it is; for example, at 10.30 a.m. every weekday at Westminster Cathedral.

 

I strongly suspect that is another one of Francis' changes. Latin remains the official language of the Catholic Church. Francis has done a lot to stir things up. For example, this latest edict doing his best to stop the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite was initially published in L'Osservatore Romano, which is not the normal place for publishing official documents from the Holy See. He also decreed it to be implemented immediately, whereas laws, etc. coming out of the Holy See would normally come into force three months after their promulgation.

 

Yes, that's right. The lingua franca at the Vatican is Italian.