What do Anglicans believe about Mary and the saints?

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  1. AnglicanAgnostic

    AnglicanAgnostic Well-Known Member

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    I don't quite gather from John 1:14 that Mary is full of Christ!
    The "Hail Mary full of grace" allegedly comes from Luke 1:28 though on Biblegateway you have to go to the Douay Rheims version to get anything close to the supposed saying,
    "And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
     
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    At the end of 9 months Mary must have been very full of Christ, who was himself full of grace. I guess it was a graceous act to bring the Saviour of the world into the world he was divinely destined to save.
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    XX. Of the Authority of the Church.
    The Church hath power to decree Rites or Ceremonies, and authority in Controversies of Faith: and yet it is not lawful for the Church to ordain any thing that is contrary to God's Word written, neither may it so expound one place of Scripture, that it be repugnant to another. Wherefore, although the Church be a witness and a keeper of Holy Writ, yet, as it ought not to decree any thing against the same, so besides the same ought it not to enforce any thing to be believed for necessity of Salvation.

    The Birth of Jesus Foretold (Luke 1)
    26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called Nazareth, 27 to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, ‘Greetings, favoured one! The Lord is with you.’ 29But she was much perplexed by his words and pondered what sort of greeting this might be. 30 The angel said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favour with God. 31 And now, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you will name him Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his ancestor David. 33 He will reign over the house of Jacob for ever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.’ 34 Mary said to the angel, ‘How can this be, since I am a virgin?’ 35 The angel said to her, ‘The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be holy; he will be called Son of God. 36 And now, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month for her who was said to be barren. 37 For nothing will be impossible with God.’ 38 Then Mary said, ‘Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word.’ Then the angel departed from her.

    Whilst John 1:14 is among my favourite scripture verses, I think you miss the point of the Luke passage. God's plan for the redemption of creation was not done in isolation from humanity. Mary's let it be to me according to your word maybe the most significant YES in history. When we get the incarnation wrong, we also undo our soteriology and understanding of the atonement.
     
  4. Tiffy

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    The scripture translations I'm able to search 'full of grace' in, mostly hit on John 1:14. No mention of Mary being full of grace comes up on any of my phrase searches of scripture, though as Anglican Agnostic points out there is at least one translation that favours such an interpretation of the Greek text. I personally have no problem with anyone regarding The BVM as 'Full of Grace'. She's Jesus of Nazareth's mum. That alone makes her very special, both to Jesus and the world that He 'saved'.
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    I think this is a bit picky, and the Bible was not written in English. The translation 'highly favoured' could certainly be a close parallel to 'full of grace' provided that you are not arguing that grace is a commodity, similar to the idea that the car is full of petrol.
     
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    I don't think I've argued supporting the contention that Mary lacked grace. All I've said is that I can't find scripture specifically saying Mary was full of it. I can only find scripture saying Jesus was and presumably still is. I personally believe she was a very graceous lady indeed, but that's just my own opinion.
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