once upon a time the RCC made that claim … not amy more so so strict as before do some in the C og E now try to imitate the RCC?
We do occasionally have off posts here that suggest that take an abrasive pro-Anglican stance to the detriment of other positions, and I am sorry about that, however, I can confidently assure you that that is not the only, nor even the predominant stance of Anglicans generally not of this site in particular. In a joint communique, Pope Francis and ArchBishop Welby said, 'Our division is a scandal and a shame'. John 17 encourages us to do better. Perhaps not so strong any more yet still I read "100 The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him." (CCC https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__PN.HTMw.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__PN.HTM) This is untrue. The Church of England existed before the Augustinian Mission. Henry VIII is a great character in History and was an alpha over-achiever. He was not short on vanity, yet he did a great deal for his realm. The perception of him as a lustful sex-obsessed monster is unreasonable. Henry was certain that he needed to maintain the future of England and to ensure that there was a male heir to satisfy the needs of the kingdom, still really only one generation away from the Wars of the Roses that had crippled the Kingdom. He was married to Catheryn of Aragon for a very long time. Henry saw himself as a catholic King, and the question was not so much about the nature of faith, so much as the authority of the Pope in the secular affairs of nations. In normal circumstances, the Pope would have been unlikely not to grant the annulment, save for the fact he was constrained from doing so by the Holy Roman Emporer, who was Catheryn of Aragon's Uncle. This is simply not true. Not even remotely warm.
Hi Botolph is there any substance or info on this statement, or was it just a "feel good" statement, where the Pope thinks Anglicans should just join the RC church and Justine thinks the Pope should fully accept that Anglicanism as it is, is part of the "true church"?
https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/archbishop-justins-address-pope-francis https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/catholic-anglican-churches-confront-human-trafficking https://www.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2024/05/02/240502b.html I don't think it is about takeover or simple absorption. I suspect that the current Pope, to the aggravation of conservatives in his Church, is inclined to see Orthodox and indeed Anglicans, as fellow Christians walking in faith as part of the great umbrella of the Nicene Creed statement about one, holy, catholic and apostolic church. As Christianity falls from its dominant position in the West, our differences become less important and our connections become more important. imho!
too oftem i had tonread hateful mockery of the RCC i dont thinkna a ctholic forum wouldbmock all other christian faiths
i came here because i liked the Anglican church inidid not expect a flood of hatred and mockery against the rcc
In fairness, your liking of the Anglican Church has not always been immediately apparent. Some of your posts have been a little pointed, including this thread. Many of us have tried valiantly and patiently to set our position with charity and fraternity. We are not perfect, however, I think the forum and its members are unreasonably accused of a flood of mockery and hatred. Some people, including members here, have come to Anglicanism for matters that troubled them elsewhere, and sometimes that has been the RCC. Some of those members are more critical of the RCC than others, however that is their journey. I know on Christian Forums where I also post, that I have sometimes encountered scathing criticism from members of the RCC, and that is their journey. I am sorry if you have been offended, and it is not my intent to relive the division of the continental reformation, nor to create the theological equivalent of Israel and the Gaza Strip. We live in a world of give and take, and hopefully, we can all strive to help each other on our journey into light and the glory yet to be revealed. Pax Dominum Vobiscum.
Not all took part in the mocking of all other religions except the C of E But toooo many I see this as fanatical and stupid hatred here What a disgusting self.righteousnessa!
I hope this forum is not typical of the C of. E in general I know C of E people …. And they werde mot so onesided as many in this forum
Anglicans may be biased toward their denomination, but they recognize that Jesus is not a denominational Savior. Being Anglican is not salvific. Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists, and other Christians who trust for salvation in Christ alone, and who receive God's grace through faith apart from works, consider one another as brethren in Christ. I am not your typical run-of-the-mill Anglican, however, because I was born and raised Roman Catholic. I was well catechized by the church of Rome. So I bring a different perspective, one born of experience and of RC history, to the forum. What do you make of these official, doctrinal statements of the RCC? _Unam Sanctam_ says, “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” The Council of Florence’s papal bull, _Cantate Domino,_ says: “The sacrosanct Roman Church, founded by the voice of our Lord and Savior... firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart ‘into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that _only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation,_ and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” Cantate Domino says in effect that even those who receive non-RC baptism are unable to be saved. Even a person who is martyred (has shed blood) for his faith in Jesus cannot be saved if he is not "in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church," according to this decree. When I was a child, I was taught from a RC Church-approved text (with Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat) which stated: What do we mean when we say, “Outside the Church there is no salvation?” When we say, “Outside the Church there is no salvation,” we mean that Christ made the Catholic Church a necessary means of salvation and commanded all to enter it, so that a person must be connected with the Church in some way to be saved. The catechism teacher explained that if we ever became Protestant, we would be damned to hell for eternity unless we repented and returned to the RCC before we died. But when I became an adult, I realized that neither Jesus nor the Apostles ever specified membership in "the Catholic Church" as a salvific requirement. Neither Jesus nor the Apostles taught that we must be subject to the Roman Pontiff, either.