Is Jesus Christ Almighty God?

Discussion in 'Theology and Doctrine' started by Rexlion, Apr 18, 2020.

  1. Invictus

    Invictus Well-Known Member

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    If you want to read Genesis as an apocalypse rather than as primeval history, that's your business of course, but there's nothing in the text itself that even remotely indicates that it was meant to be read that way.

    Strictly speaking, an infinite being cannot have a 'perspective' or a particular vantage point from which to view the world, to the exclusion of all others. To claim such a perspective is literally meaningless. Genesis was written in human language by humans and for humans, and therefore a human perspective is the only one that can come into play when interpreting it. I do not believe you have privileged access to some special knowledge that the rest of us lack.

    As we've covered before in this thread, 'the Word' is not 'God the Father'; that is the Sabellian heresy.

    I am aware that you're quoting the KJV; I asked you why you're using that particular translation when there are good contemporary English translations, given that English is not your first language.
     
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    The problem I have with claiming your view is from God's perspective rather than the other view which is then denigrated to a human perspective, is firstly the arrogance of such a claim, and secondly that it relies on an episteemal primitive, which has always been dangerous territory. These claims have been made by others before, including the marcionites, and is simply a claim that a particular view cannot be questioned or challenged. These claims are often used to support the unsustainable (for example the infallibility of the Pope) and to simply put ones own view above others.

    At the simplest level it is the same argument as 'because I am the Mother'.

    I would stongly urge all involved in this and other theological debates to try and avoid claims that rely on an episteemal primitive.
     
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    In fact, the Word of GOD -the Word is GOd - is not a problem for me, I think its for you, for since the beginning and until the current time the Devil, as you know, twists the Word of GOD and for you he is interpreting the wonderful book of GOD's seven Days creation, the book of Genesis, as it being a "primeval history", what is fake, of course, and is trying to degenerate, depreciate, minimize, the Word of GOD, as have happened since the begining. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years...2Peter 3:v.8

    What is literally meaningless is what you above wrote. GOD - the Word is GOD, it is written in John 1:v.1, - yes, GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, yes, He is "an infinite Being", and never made any EXCLUSION as you say erroneously. If you would know GOD you would never had say that, so among thousands of examples, I cite just one for your knowledge and understanding better your false assertion. John 3:v.16 - GOD so loved the WORLD, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Yes, GOD revealed His Word to the prophet Moses starting by Genesis, and "Genesis was written in human language" around 2500 years after Adam, first for the people of Israel, which GOD separated for He Himself from the Gentiles peoples -Genesis 1:v.9- revealing to Moses everything that occurred since 2500 years ago from Moses, or two and half Days of His works, and described them in Genesis, besides the Chronology of GOD's seed from Adam until Moses.

    Yes, Genesis was written by human and for human, first for the descendants of Abraham, of course, the book was written by the prophet Moses, a MAN of GOD, understand? By the way, Moses is one of the 24 crowned elders and is already in the third heaven. Therefore, the book of Genesis must be interpreted by the people of GOD from GOD's perspective, not from human perspective lest what happened to the Apostle Peter when he gave way to Satan thinking like a man and forgetting the Word of GOD -Matthew 16:v.21-23 - take a look.
     
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    Friend, why are you dening the written Word of GOD saying the Word is not GOD? What spirit is that? It is written in the Word of GOD that since the beginning the Word is GOD-John 1.v.1.
    Also it is written: There are three that bear record /testify in heaven : The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One. (heaven is not the physical space of Universe-sky-, by the way, Moses is already in the environment of the third heaven, as one of the twenty four elders).

    About our knowledgment of the Word of GOD, JESUS will fulfill LITERALLY His promise, having He said: For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath - Matthew 25:v.29.

    You may have problems with translations, I don't. Because what matters and prevails is the Spirit, not the letter of the Bible; GOD is the invisible Spirit, as said JESUS-John 4:v.24, if this had not been revealed by JESUS and written in the Bible, no one would know about this mystery.

    JESUS said: John 7:v.38-39
    38 He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
    39 (But this spake JESUS of the Spirit, which they that believe on Him should receive(do you understand?): for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

    Genesis is not a history as you have said, but the Word of GOD, you are a storyteller, GOD is not, He is not a storyteller like you are, do you understand? Genesis is the first book of the Bible, written by the first prophet of the Lord, Moses,
    and Revelation is the last book of the Bible, a secret book of my GOD, GOD the Father, which GOD gave unto JESUS, to shew unto His servants things which should shortly come to pass;
    and JESUS sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John: -and unto His people in these last two thousand years, actually a sealed book with seven seals, whose seals was broken by JESUS, and is content was revealed for our knowledge.
     
  5. Invictus

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    @Oseas, I’m afraid I don’t recognize a coherent response in anything you have written so far. You haven’t even attempted to reply to my actual statements and questions. In my view, there’s nothing to be gained by continuing this exchange, and I’m not sure this thread still has a constructive purpose. It’s probably time for this discussion to end.
     
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    @Oseas There is a distinct possibility that the view you are promoting is somewhat gnostic, if not approaching Gnosticism. Coupled with that I am not entirely clear how you understand the Holy Trinity. Do you have any reservations about the Creed of the 1st Council of Constantinople?
     
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    My original intent in starting this thread was to set forth reasoning from the Bible which supports the fact that Jesus is God (and thus, Trinitarianism), mainly for the benefit of any future readers who might doubt these facts. Looking at the way it has devolved, :no: I sincerely hope that any non-Trinitarian readers will (for their own good) only read the first three-and-a-half pages of comments! The remainder has been wholly counterproductive.
     
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    Coming late to this thread but as regards the original question in the thread's title, the answer is yes. Most emphatically yes.
     
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