Is Jesus Christ Almighty God?

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  1. Oseas

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    You correctly highlighted the false teachers in your above post #89, and many are Pastors, and Bishops, and TV Evangelists, and Priests, Cardinals, even an idolater Pope, ruler and guide of the Great Whore, the RCC, which rides upon the Gentilic Beast, the Papacy, many of them are pedhophiles, abusers of children, and rapists.
    Even recently the Pope, cynically, hypocritically, disguisedly, asked forgiveness in Canada for the practices of abuse and murder of school children, and it continues to happen around the world, because everything is a hoax of this evil church, and this caste still continues in the pulpits and altars as usual, and there will always be new victims, of course.

    As I above said, you correctly highlighted false teachers, and I quoted John 3:31-36 that says that who is of the earth is earthly , and speaks of the earth, like that devilish cast of religious leaders I above listed, but the WRATH of GOD abideth on them, and on who is like them.
     
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    And there is no chance whatever though, of anyone who holds the views that you do, ever being like them, is there. On the other hand it seems to be assumed by people with views like the ones you have preached to us, that anyone not holding extreme views like yours must be like unto those you condemn as servants of a Satanic church. It must be exhausting, through oxygen starvation, living so many miles above contradiction. :laugh: My guess is that any church that gets your approval would therefore have no shortage of volunteers to cast the first stone.
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    There is no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves. GOD will not lay upon man more than right; he must go to the Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, that he should enter into Judgment and receive his sentence as is written in Revelation 11:v.18 among many others. But who will Judge the world? What does the Word of GOD say, not mine?

    1 Corinthians 6:v.2-3: -
    2 Do ye not know that the saints shall Judge the world? and if the world shall be Judged by you, are ye unworthy to Judge the smallest matters?
    3 Know ye not that we shall Judge angels? (Scriptures are not speaking of the invisible angels, but angels of the Churches, of course. The believers are still sleeping) how much more to Judge the things that pertain to this life? How will the Gentile world be Judged? By the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. But how? 2 Corinthians 5:v.10 reveals how it is: We must all appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    The Lord GOD said: Revelation 11:v. 3-5 -
    3 - I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth-(1260 days-three years and half-42 months-half a week).
    4 - These -TWO WITNESSES- are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (COMMENTS: These are the two olive trees, it means(SOURCE OF OIL FOR THE CANDLESTICKS), and the two candlesticks, it means (TWO CHURCHES - JEWISH CHURCH AND GENTILE CHURCH - THE BODY OF CHRIST) standing before the God of the earth.
    These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood(waters mean, peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues-Revelation 17:v.15) and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. War in heaven. | Page 12 | CARM Forums - mainly posts 228-229 which were not replied until this moment -

    5 - And if any MAN hurt them-the two witnesses-two churches-, fire proceedeth out of their mouth -it means: theirs testimony-, and devoureth their enemies: and if any MAN will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

    Daniel 7:v.22 and 26-27
    22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
    26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
    27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
     
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    And?
     
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    AND
    The Lord GOD will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a SHORT work will the Lord make upon the earth. Romans 9:v.28 --- What kind of SHORT work does it be? Our Lord JESUS gives us a clue, saying : - Except those days should be SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any MAN (Pastors, and Bishops, TV Evangelists, Priests, Cardinals, and Pope, among others) shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; BELIEVE IT NOT. (TAKE CARE. BE CAREFUL) For there shall arise FALSE Christs, and FALSE prophets (FALSE INTERPRETS / PREACHERS OF THE WORD OF GOD- MINISTERS OF SATAN - 2Cor. 11: v.13-15. Take a look.) , and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF IT BE POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect.
    Behold, I have told you before. Matthew 24:v.22-25 --------- (NOTE: That cast of evil man transfigured in ministers will be the sellers of oil out of the time)

    1John 2:v.18-19
    18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
    19 They went out from us(STARTING BY THE APOSTATE CHUCH OF ROME- FORMER TRUE CHURCH OF THE LORD ACCORDING EPISTLE OF ROMANS)- , but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (NOTE: The Church of Rome would be the 8th in the book of Revelation if it had not apostated and going after Satan. Now one of the seven heads of the RCC will be wounded to death-Revelation 13:v.3)

    2 Peter 3:v.7-12
    7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE (Isaiah 33:v.10-17-take a look.) against the Day of Judgment (the Lord's Day-the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) and perdition of ungodly men.

    8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.

    9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens (heavens have nothing to do with sky-See Ephesians 1:v.3 among others) shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED(GET READY) , what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of GOD -(Revelation 1:v.7-8) , wherein the heavens being on FIRE shall be DISSOLVED (Get ready) , and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for New Heavens and a New earth(not a new planet, of course - Revelation 11:v.15 to 18), wherein dwelleth righteousness - the Kingdom of GOD - Matthew 5:v. 5 and Revelation 5:v. 10 and 11:v.15 to 18.

    Get ready
     
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    Please explain, in clear and coherent language, exactly what point you’re trying to make, and how it relates to the topic of this thread.
     
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    That's not going to happen. As an arsonist hides behind the fire truck, so hypocrites can hide behind scripture. Satan himself quotes the WORD when it suits his purposes, even though it says "The WORD is GOD".
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    You simply asked me? AND? What you meant? Then what the Holy Spirit inspired me within the Holy Scriptures, that I wrote. My Lord JESUS said settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer. Luke 21:v.14
     
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    My Lord JESUS said: I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? Luke 12:v.49
     
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    There are two ways to use scripture, either for support, or for illumination. I recommend the latter.
     
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    Oh I know. You’re absolutely right. And just as you predicted, the response to my question was the same old nonsensical non-answer that’s become standard fare in this thread, unfortunately.
     
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    Scripture enlightens us and shows us, even in the scripture, that when Satan quotes scripture he reveals his true character as a liar. Satan has no respect for The Word of God or the words of God. He merely uses it to support his own agenda, which is actually far from what God actually intends, and where he is concerned, is actually in opposition to God's will.

    The first example in the sciptures is this: Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”

    This is a question that truthfully implies that God actually didn't say 'You shall not eat of any tree in the garden' but actually had said to just the man:

    “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”


    So in fact God had not actually told Eve the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil would harm her, because Eve knew nothing from God of the warning Adam was given. Only Adam knew that. Eve didn't have any understanding of the warning given to Adam because she did not yet even exist. So how could she? Adam had not yet named the creatures God had made and God had not yet produced a suitable companion, (Eve), for Adam.

    So by a slightly defective interpretation of God's words to Adam, Satan manages to present God's warning as if it is an unwarranted prohibition and an unfair restriction on Eve's freedom, rather than loving, beneficial and educational 'health and safety information, from God to Adam, to preserve their lives'.

    The story goes on the relate to us all, the bold lies that Satan then supports his implied argument with. "You will not surely die", "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Well, God truly DID know that, but not in the way Satan implied. God's knowledge is infinite, but Satan implies that God uses that infinite knowledge to deprive His creatures rather than to nurture them. Therein is the lie, not in the strict and literal interpretation of the words of Satan's sentence, which only appears to be truthful, to Eve.

    There are those who when they quote scripture use very similar methods to Satan. They say very little themselves, i.e. don't reveal their own opinions on it's meaning, but use it to infer rather than to directly accuse, thus cloaking and hiding their own heart's intent. The Pharisees were experts at it and tried to trap Our Lord using the scriptures on the many occasions that we may read of in the Gospels.

    One result of believing such servants of Satan, who 'serve up the scriptures to others', is the belief many have that it was Eve who was responsible for the fall, rather than Adam or even more so Satan, through his subtle deception of the innocent Eve.

    By the New Testament Satan is still 'at it'.

    Then the devil taketh [Jesus] up into the holy city, and setteth [Jesus] on a pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, "He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone".

    Thus Satan quotes Psalm 91:11-12. A perfect quotation by Satan here, but how is it a temptation to God?

    Jesus clearly exposes The words of God in scripture here, as a temptation to be avoided, an occasion in which Satan may profit by blind, unthinking human obedience to the letter of the 'Word which is God'.

    This is an example of the way that those who just quote scripture can deliberately mislead the unwary, who are thinking scripture is always, 'The Word'.

    Just as innocent Eve was deliberately mislead by Satan.

    Jesus Christ alone is The WORD, and the WORD, who is Jesus Christ, is God.
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    Agree. GOD - the Word is GOD - the invisible GOD, throught JESUS Christ the Almight, said: Let there be light, and there was light. Why? It is easy to understand: There was only and only darkness in the earth after the fallen in Eden. The ilumination of the earth was the FIRST WORK of our GOD, but how would it be maked ? Well, it's simple to understand: God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all, then He said "Let there be light", and there was light. This is our GOD, He is indescribably wonderful.

    Our GOD revealed to Moses that after the fallen of Eden, it came to pass that men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, and the sons of GOD saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose, and He saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The earth also was corrupt before GOD, and the earth was filled with violence, and GOD looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth, the earth was filled with violence through them; And GOD said unto Noah, Make thee an ark of gopher wood; The end of all flesh is come before me; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth - Genesis 6:v.1to13. IN FACT THE EARTH WAS WITHOUT FORM (IN SPIRITUAL CHAOS), AND VOID (AND WITHOUT GOD), but the Spirit of GOD moved among the people. In fact, on the other hand, in parallel to the corrupt generation, our GOD did seek a godly seed and was born a productive GOD's seed after the death of Abel, they were/are:
    Seth, and Enosh, Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech and Noah. Since Adam all this milennial generation of GOD's men, begat sons and daughters. THE PROPHET MALACHI WROTE: Did not he -GOD- make one? (Adam) Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That He-GOD- could /might seek a godly seed. And Noah was five hundred years old and GOD manifested unto him for his salvation, it was around the year 1556 after Adam, and the construction of the ark was 100 years. The flood occurred aroun year 1656 after Adam.

    Based in the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD - the source of the Truth, on GOD's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (II Pet.3:8) so MANKIND, yeah, MANKIND, would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).
    So, in accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days beginning in Genesis chapter 5, as follow:

    Adam lived ….................................................130 yrs and begat Seth
    Seth lived ………………………………………….......105 yrs and begat Enosh;
    Enosh lived ......................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
    Mahalalel lived ................................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
    Jared lived .....................................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
    Enoch lived ......................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah
    Methuselah lived.............................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
    Lamech lived ..................................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
    From Noah´s birth until the Flood................600 yrs.
    Total of years from Adam to the Flood =.....1,656 years.

    I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations.

    The Word is GOD.

    GOD blesses
     
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    In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. Then God said, ‘Let there be light’; and there was light. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
    Genesis 1:1-5

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being in him was life, and the life was the light of all people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it.
    John 1:1-5

    These, I believe, are the two passages that you are correlating. And it is indeed very reasonable to look at these two passages together, and there should be no doubt that the writer of John was alluding to Genesis in the prologue to his Gospel. I am a little perplexed, however, as you seem to confuse the darkness that covered the face of the deep when creation was begun with the darkness that entered the life of humanity following the rebellion recounted in the fall narrative.

    There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness to testify to the light, so that all might believe through him. He himself was not the light, but he came to testify to the light. The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.
    John 1:6-9

    The writer of 4G goes on, alluding to Jesus, though he does not name him as such till verse 17, however it is clear that both light and life are found in God through Jesus Christ our Lord. This of course is the heartland of the gospel.

    I am not sure if I am not following your grammar, or if I am not following your theology. Your sentence reads 'There was only and only darkness after the fallen in Eden.' For English native speakers, we are left trying to adduce the meaning that you want this to carry. (I would really recommend a free assistant app like Grammarly which I use, as it really helps avoid some of these issues and makes it easier for the reader to understand the message). Of course, there are many references to light, and the shekinah glory of God in the Bible following the fall. The tabernacle that was pitched just outside the camp if the people shone with amazing light reflected in Moses' face after he had been in the tent. So there was more than darkness in the earth following the fall.

    And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father’s only son, full of grace and truth.
    John 1:14

    This here is the great crescendo of the Prologue, however, I suspect our translators don't always do this passage justice, as this word used for 'lived among us' could also be translated as 'pitched his tent in the midst of us', or even 'tabernacled in our midst ', as it is the same word used in the Septuagint in Exodus for the tabernacle, and we know that John is already alluding to the established story of old.

    So our story begins in darkness, the darkness before the light, yet following the coming of the light, darkness is the shadow of our sinfulness which of course is only seen in the light. I find your conflagration of these two allusions to darkness less than illuminating.

    And this is the judgement, that the light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For all who do evil hate the light and do not come to the light, so that their deeds may not be exposed. But those who do what is true come to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that their deeds have been done in God.’
    John 3:19-21

    This is pretty much the point that John is making in chapter 3, in the discussion with Nicodemus.

    I have not addressed the rest of your post at this stage, as it is largely unrelated to the topic of this thread, save to acknowledge, that I would deal with those passages in a different way to the manner in which you deal with them. I readily acknowledge that I am not a Biblical Literalist, I am not a fundamentalist, and I get very wary of those who push for Biblical inerrancy. However, that does not mean that I don't receive the canon, and defend the proposition that it contains all things necessary for salvation.

    I most certainly also agree with the proposition that God Blesses.
     
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    To speak and write about Genesis 1 from human and scientific perspective is easy, there is a lot of literatures and the work is only of copying them. But to comment on Genesis from GOD's perspective, it is not easy, quite the opposite, it's very very hard.

    Yes, I was correlating the two passages you have quoted, and I interpreted Genesis 1 through both passages conform you highlighted, it because the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD- helps us to understand more deeply what our GOD revealed to MOSES around 2500 years after Adam, or 1500 years B.C, or even after two and half days of GODs' works.

    I cannot interpret GOD's Word from human perspective, even from its scientific interpretation by the letter of Scriptures. Actually I must interpret from GOD's perspective exclusively. By the way, JESUS, the GOD Almighty, came in the fourth GOD's Day, i.e. around 4000 years after Adam, or around 2000 years ago: What were the works of GOD on the fourth Day, when GOD the Father sent JESUS here? Well, they are written in Genesis 1:v.14to19-It's good to take a look. Yes, it was the fourth GOD's Day, and also the beginning of the fifth Day or fifth millennium, and what did JESUS say? JESUS said IN THE FOURTH DAY, WHEN HE WAS HERE: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work-John 5:v.17.

    I would like to say that the Word, I mean GOD the Father, revealed to Moses, and Moses wrote the book of Genesis,-the first book of Torah-, it was / is the description of GOD's Plan of restoration or restitution of all things-Acts 3:19-24-, not the creation of the Universe in which the Earth's globe or Planet Earth was and is placed since countless billions of years ago.

    GENESIS 1:v.1-PLAN OF RESTORATION-CREATION OF HEAVENS

    The first GOD's Day of work, starting by the creation of heavens and the earth --> Genesis 1:v.1 reveals(It was still the FIRST GOD's DAY): --> In the beginning (in JESUS) GOD created the heavens and the earth.
    In fact, GOD had created the heavens according His Plan of Restoration, but actually they were only recorded in His Plan of Restoration, GOD had not still made them in the FIRST DAY. Well, GOD calleth these things which still are not as though they were. We must see that, in fact, the heavens were created in the second GOD's Day-Genesis 1:v.6-8. Did you see? Take a look and meditate on this. And the earth was created ONLY in the 3rd GOD's Day-Genesis 1:v.9 to 14.

    By the Word of GOD we know that there are several heavens which were created. In fact, GOD created through JESUS the follow heavens: the 1st, the 2nd, and the 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens. By the way, Paul was in the 3rd heaven, he knew the 3rd heaven, that is the NEXT HEAVEN to be established according Luke 20:v.35-36 combined with Revelation 11:v.15 to 18, among others references.

    That said, what GOD revealed to Moses is not saying that the created heavens, in the second GOD's Day, are the physical space of Universe where the Earth's Globe together another countless planets / celestial corps were placed, of course. The author of Hebrews left very clear this mystery, saying: Chapter 11:v.3- Through FAITH we understand that...the things which ARE SEEN were not made of things which do appear.

    That said, heavens have nothing to do with SKY, no, absolutely not, heavens are celestial places in Christ, heavenly ENVIRONMENTS created by GOD, for example, the environment of the Garden of Eden. By the way, Ephesians 1:v.3 among other references is a clue for better understanding what kind of heavenly places were created for GOD's sons, I say for adoptive GODs' sons-John 1:v.12-13-take a look.

    About the wonderful event of GOD meeting Moses and revealing Genesis for him, John the Apostle wrote conform his vision that "All things were made by JESUS, and without Him -i.e. without JESUS- was not any thing made that was made. That said, when GOD said to Moses that "In the beginning" He created heavens and earth, it is evident that GOD was referring to JESUS as the beginning, by whom GOD the Father created all things, and without JESUS was not any thing made that was made. But there is an interesting detail: The name of JESUS could not be revealed in that time, this would be only and only when He become born 4000 years after Adam, so instead to write In JESUS GOD created ... then was written In the beginning GOD created.

    In my understanding, we cannot interpret the Word of GOD thinking from human perspective, but from GOD's perspective. The human perspective even being scientific interpretations they never, but never they will interpret according GOD's perspective, quite the opposite, it is Satan who makes the interpretation of the Word of GOD about GOD's creation and lies as always he does, similar as happened with Peter Apostle speaking through a human perspective - Matthew 16:v.22-23. The DIFFERENCE between scientific human perspective and GOD's perspective about Genesis is from the darkness(scientific human perspective) to the light (from GOD's perspective).

    The author of Hebrews left very clear this mystery, saying: Chapter 11:v.3- Through FAITH we understand that the WORLDS were framed by the Word of GOD, so that things which ARE SEEN were not made of things which do appear. WELL, THE DESCRIPTION I HAVE TRIED TO DO ABOVE OF GOD'S CREATION IS NOT ACCORDING THE THINGS WHICH ARE SEEN, NEITHER ACCORDING OF THINGS WHICH DO APPEAR.
    What GOD revealed to Moses about His Plan of Restoration, it has nothing to do with the creation of SKY that is the physical space of Universe where the Earth's globe together another countless planets /celestial corps were placed countless billions of years ago, of course.

    Isaiah 40:v.21-22
    21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? - 22 It is He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the HEAVENS as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a TENT to dwell in:(this description has nothing to do with SKY)

    Well, there are 4 heavens, the 1st, 2nd and 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens, but UNTIL THE CURRENT TIME were created only the first two heavens, I mean the 1st and the 2nd heavens, the 3rd HEAVEN is the next to be established, rather, to be planted as is written in Isaiah 54:v.16-take a look- , and both FIRST and SECOND heavens will be DISSOLVED henceforward-(2Peter 3:v.7 and 11-13). The third heaven, where Paul Apostle was and knew it, it will be established or planted in this seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, as said JESUS ; Luke 20:v.35-36. Check it. After this millennium, in the END of this current millennium, will be a new War against Satan, and then will be established the heaven of the heavens for ever and ever, and the Eternity will start. Revelation 20:v.7-15

    About creation of earth-Genesis 1- I will comment in the next post

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    Continuation of above

    CREATION OF THE EARTH - NOT A WATER PLANET, BUT A DRY LAND, THE CLAY

    It is very hard to interpret the Word of GOD, mainly Genesis, As I said above, the Word-GOD the Father- revealed to Moses, and Moses wrote the book of Genesis -the first book of Torah, it was/is the description of GOD's Plan of restoration or restitution of all things-Acts 3:19-24-, not the creation of the Universe in which the Planet Earth was and is placed since countless billions of years ago.

    GOD revealed to Moses and to us too that through JESUS He created heavens and also the earth -Genesis 1:v.1- The next verse says: And the earth was without form, and void... -Genesis 1:v.2-(Why?) Because it still was only in the Plan of Restoration, it was not made yet-GOD calleth this thing which still be not as though it was-, so earth HIRE is the dry land, the clay, which ONLY in the 3rd GOD's Day would be made-Genesis 1:v.9-, and it is NOT the Planet EARTH that already existed and was placed in the Universe since countless billions of years ago. ... and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of GOD-the Light-moved upon the face of the waters (waters here has nothing to do with H2O, but peoples, nations and multitudes).

    It was the third GOD's Day, around 2500 to 3000 years after Adam
    . (GOD calleth this thing which still be not as though it was), the earth, the dry land, the clay, which GOD had planned to make in the third Day, was without form and void because it was still in the embryo, but it will be made and formed by complete still in the third GOD's Day-Genesis 1:v.9-, after the saparation of waters (waters here is not H2O), but peoples, and nations, and multitudes, the whole earth was corrupted, the whole earth was of one corrupt language, and of one evil speech.

    GOD said: Genesis 1:v.9-10-Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto ONE place (heaven was created in the 2nd Day, it is not the physical space of Universe-SKY), and let the dry land APPEAR (the appearance of the dry land it has nothing to do with the seven continents): and it was so. 10 And GOD called the dry land earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he seas: and GOD saw that it was good.
    Then, what really APPEARED in the third GOD's Day, around the period of year 2500 to 3000 after Adam, and it was without form and void, yeah, what really appeared it was the NATION of Israel among multitudes of the sons of Devil already existent on the Earth, and in several nations that was formed, seed of the Devil like Cain. Only Israel was not a NATION yet, neither had any portion on the Earth as GOD had promised to Abraham. Then GOD said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto ONE place (Gentile nations), and let the dry land -ISRAEL-appear: and it was so. Yeah, it was ONLY AFTER GOD sent MOSES back to Egypt to take the people of Israel, the seed of Abraham, out of Egypt and take them to the Promised Land. Then GOD made the nation of Israel, the dry land, the clay, and placed the people in the promised land, where they reminded until year 70AD, and after the NATION as a whole was punished severely and banned from the promised land until year 1948, 1878 years of strong and severe punishments according Deuteronomy 28:v.15to68, 53 verses of all kind of plagues.

    NOTE: English is not my native language, but I tried to do the best I could in my above post. Excuse-me if something I wrote is not very clear in your language. Fell free to make questions. Remember: My post is from GOD's perspective, not from a human and scientific perspective, the difference is great.

    GOD blesses
     
  17. Botolph

    Botolph Well-Known Member

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    This is a substantial claim, however, it is not substantiated by what you write. We can only write from a human experience and a human perspective, as neither of us has any experience of being God.
     
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    THE WORD IS GOD

    What does the Word of GOD say? Let's analyze deeply GOD's Word. Asking to the Word of GOD in Genesis 1:v.6 : Who are the peoples that are UNDER the firmament(under heaven), and the people ABOVE the firmament(ABOVE HEAVEN)?

    John 3:v.31-36 reveals:
    verse 31 He that cometh from ABOVE is ABOVE all: He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is ABOVE all. (As is written in Genesis 1:v.6 to 8: - 6-GOD said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters(peoples,and nations, and multitudes, Hebrews included, the seed of Abraham), and let it divide the waters from the waters. (By the Word of GOD, of course) 7 And GOD made the firmament, and divided the waters which were UNDER the firmament (the Gentile peoples) from the waters which were ABOVE the firmament (The Hebrew people, descendants of Abraham. IT WAS WONDERFUL) : and it was so . 8 And GOD called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.) (GOD's Day)

    Again:
    verse 31 - He that cometh from ABOVE is ABOVE all: He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is ABOVE all.
    verse 32 - And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
    verse 33 - He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
    verse 34 - For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
    verse 35 - The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.
    verse 36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; and ...

    My post is not from a human and scientific perspective, but it is from GOD's perspective, the difference is great, there is no comparison. The Word is GOD.
     
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    This allegorizing of the Genesis story is entirely arbitrary. There's no actual argument to be found in any of this.

    There are also plenty of good translations in modern English, so I'm not sure why you insist on quoting the KJV when English is not your first language.
     
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    To speak and write about Genesis 1 from human and scientific perspective is easy, there is a lot of literatures and the work is only of copying them. But to comment and interpret Genesis from GOD's perspective, it is not easy, quite the opposite, it's very very hard to interpret the Word of GOD, mainly Genesis, it's a revelation.
    The Word -GOD the Father- revealed to Moses, and Moses wrote the book of Genesis -the first book of Torah, it was/is the description of GOD's Plan of restoration or restitution of all things-Acts 3:19-24-, not the creation of the Universe in which the Planet Earth was and is placed since countless billions of years ago.

    Regardings my source of Scriptures in English , it is https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis1&version=KJV