Archbishop Welby continues to live down to expectations

I guess vipers must be a step up from vermin!-- Matt 12:34

 

Jesus most certainly warned people not to get 'snakey' with him. Matt.12:34, Matt.23:33, I don't know whether Jesus considered snakes to be a step 'up' or a step 'down' from rats but according to scripture, strictly speaking Jesus never calls anyone a 'rat'.
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The word for this kind of thing is "pedantry", in case you're wondering, Tiffy. And you get it wrong, which makes your pedantry incorrect as well as misguided.

St. Jude was speaking under Divine guidance, so the admonition most certainly does come from Christ. And I did not quote scripture (hence the lack of a scripture citation), but paraphrased it. Thus I repay pedantry with pedantry.

I'm not sure what point you think you're making here. Do you suggest that St. John is fibbing to us? And if our Lord did not actually apply the whip, how was the "driving" accomplished?

 

I was expecting exactly the reaction you have so predictably provided. I got nothing wrong by what I wrote and which you probably kneejerkingly misunderstood.

Pedantically speaking, St.Jude didn't say it, he wrote it. I doubt if he dictated it verbally like Paul did for most of his letters.

I wrote, "this was written by St. Jude, not Jesus Christ", and that is exactly what I meant, and it is an absolutely truthful and accurate statement. The Gospels tell us of only one occasion when Jesus ever wrote anything. John 8:6, and nobody is certain what exactly he wrote even on that rare occasion because the scriptures do not tell us.

It is written; "And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables.".

If you were running a business selling oxen, sheep and doves and someone came along and released your doves from their cages, drove your oxen and sheep out of your stockade and smashed your till scattering all your day's takings all over the place, would you just stand there blinking or would you take off after your stock and try to round them up and get them back in your stockade to save your business? Jesus probably didn't need to use the whip on anything but some of their stock.

The text does not say that Jesus whipped the money changers. It says he "Drove them all out of the temple along with their sheep and oxen, and scattered their cash."

I of course accept that you only implied that Jesus had taken a whip to people, rather than actually saying he had done. I just wanted to clear up that point rather than allow the notion to catch on, that Jesus endorsed "whuppin' slaves and sellin' cotton", like on them old cotton fields back home.

I didn't in any way suggest the Biblical writers 'fibbed' about anything in their account of the incident. What I suggested was that you were incorrectly assuming that any one of them included a statement that Jesus had beaten anyone with a whip of cords. None of them have actually written that.

For people that have a fine eye for detail when it comes to identifying and labeling lawbreakers and sinners a little pedantry when interpreting what the scripture actually says, might very well be a desirable trait.
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So if we only threaten to do it, you would have no problem with that. Right?

 

Just to be pedantic the text doesn't say that, it says "He drove..." (capital H) . I've just noticed that Jesus is a capital H "he" just like I'm possibly a small "g" god. Have a look at Tiffy's bible quote.

"And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables.".

OK, peace now brothers, I'll let you get on with the serious discussions.

 

Snakes eat rats. And some people chase their own tails all over the place....

 

I wouldn't have a problem with it even if it said Jesus whipped them raw, but none of the evangelists say that he did that, do they. So I only have a problem with anyone who says scripture says, He definitely did.
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Great. So if you see faithful disciples of Christ exhibiting behavior that is not only full of social niceties, but sometimes as needed presents examples of threats to sinners and possible everlasting damnation, like those dastardly street preachers upsetting the comfortable British society — you would have no problem with the Christians and wouldn’t count them as committing anti-Christian behaviors.

Right?

 

I would regard any human behaviour which scripture clearly portrays Jesus of regularly exhibiting appropriate of his servants, since He said himself that his true servants would behave as he did. Matt.10:24-25. If it is something Jesus avoided doing, or advised that we should not do, (such as judging others by appearances, rather than with true judgment), then neither should we do it. Matt.7:1-2, Luke 6:37, John 7:24.
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Oh dear, oh dear, please get with the times

You cannot expect people like bishops to support their clergy. What a ridiculous notion.

If you stand-up for orthodox Christian beliefs you should damn well expect to be reported to the relevant authorities. You must bow down to the agenda of LGBT ideology.

Bishops are not practising Christians so I do not know why you expect them to defend Christian beliefs.

You may only express a view or opinion if it is in accord with the left-wing, atheistic, liberal agenda and it has been appropriately vetted. George Orwell's thought police are in our midst.

We do not want snowflakes being upset by a view that they do not share. They would need lifelong counselling.

 

That's what I like about internet replies. A balanced view without any bigotry.
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Excellent wit!

 

What's happening with the Church sure is so funny that it could make one cry. And then you suddenly realize, that it's not laughter that was causing those tears after all.

 

Anyone would think the gates of hell are going to hold out and prove Jesus wrong.

We are talking about the visible church here aren't we, not the church of Jesus Christ on Earth, and at least we haven't had another Borger Pope yet in the C of E.
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