Thoughts on Muslims?

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  1. Aidan

    Aidan Well-Known Member

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    Certainly Shia, have never heard him mentioned in relation to sufism
     
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    PotterMcKinney Active Member Anglican

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    Yeah, I've looked into it more and apparently I pulled that out of my butt. Whoops.
     
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    Lol.
     
  4. Gavin Bedggood

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    Interesting and slightly heated conversation!
    I am not religious, so don't have a horse in this race and I am in no way an expert but I thought I would comment anyway!

    From my limited study, one thing I found interesting was the backgrounds of the writers of the Bible vs the writers of the Koran. Mohammed was writing from the point of view of a political and military leader trying to keep his power base protected. This helps give a background to some of the more violent parts.

    A problem I see with Islam is the lack of separation of religion and government. It means when they take over an area or state EVERYONE under them has to conform. It goes back to my first point that Mohammed was political and religious leader in one.

    I wonder if time is a great leveller, today people see Islamic extremism as an issue. In the time of the Crusades I wonder if people thought of the problem of Christian extremism?

    Again, no horse in the race or great knowledge.... Just chatting ..

    Regards
    Gavin
     
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    Huge difference. Crusaders were fighting to defend the one true faith against Muslim heretics. Islamic extremism involves heretics trying to enforce their way of life upon Christian countries
     
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    Well. OK then. That's so wrong on so many levels, I don't even know where to start, so I won't even bother trying!
     
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    The Crusades obviously went a bit farther than defense, not to mention the Rhineland Massacres. If it was only a defense of the Roman Empire and it's Anatolian claims, then I could give it a pass. That's very clearly not what it was though, especially considering the less than suitable treatment of the Eastern Christians and what was, essentially, a political jab at them (and a poorly planned one at that) in the creation of crusader states under Roman Catholic Western leadership.

    We need to be open and honest about what happened there, not revise it to our own fancies.
     
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    I'm reading a fascinating book " The great Heresies " by Hilaire Belloc, a contemporary and friend of GK Chesterton. Belloc states that Islam is a Christian heresy. I've never heard this said before. I invite others' opinions
     
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    I have heard the same, and have seen the book at my local Books-a-Million, but whether I'll ever get it over something else is yet to be seen. It might make sense, I suppose, although I would say it falls too far outside of Christianity in denying the life, death, and life-again of Christ. That is the baseline thing, in my opinion, for a religion to be Christian. That's why I count Mormons and not Muslims.
     

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