Discussion in 'The Commons' started by Anglican04, Nov 29, 2017.
Do you think he is in heaven? Why or why not?
I'm presuming you refer to King Henry VIII, in which case, I cannot say. Truly, it is only God "unto whom all hearts be open, all desires known, and from whom no secrets are hid."
Yes, Henry VII. I mean if you were to guess based on his actions.
Based on his actions? He was (as far as I know) an unrepentant adulterer who abused the power of the Church to annul marriages. Ultimately, his split from Rome was a political one and the reformation in England didn't start until after his death. I cannot say that I have high hopes for him. Just my opinion, and it is not my place to judge where he shall go for eternity. I pray that God is more merciful than history has been.
Henry VIII is a complex person, ill prepared for the throne, a traditional catholic, confronted by the issue of succession and all manner of influences. His influence was a major accelerator in the peoples access to Holy Writ in English, and like Luther he somtimes wondered about it. For the later part it seems he had few filters and many sychophants surrounding him. Henry VIII is very curates egg - good in parts.
His ultimate destination is in the hands of God. I believe he died confident in the forgiveness that awaits those who turn to Christ.
That's good! It would be funny to talk to him in heaven about how England was in the old days, especially fashion.
I'm unsure of his place. What I do know is that, if he is truly saved, then wonderful. But if his sinfulness got the best of him (and in general, I don't hold him in high regard), then in any case God used him for his purpose. Whether it was as a Judas Maccabeus or Judas Iscariot, it's harder to say.
I think Henry VIII coming to the throne was truly a "fluke" of history. His older brother, Arthur, was far better prepared and trained to be king than Henry VIII. It's interesting to think what would have been different had Arthur not died.
Some of Henry VIII's most dramatic changes may have also been linked to his injuries suffered during tournaments. He had a terrible head injury at one point which seemed to have increased his paranoia and confusion later in life. He also suffered a festering leg wound that followed him to the end of his life. He often played the Roman church and the English church against each other for power grabs and to prevent either from gaining to much influence.
As for being in heaven, I've no idea. That's for God to know. I do think the English Reformation would have occurred if Henry VIII wasn't king. It may have turned very differently, but those ideas were still circulating all over Europe at the time. I do think Elizabeth I struck the right course in meditating between Protestant and Roman Catholic ideas, theology, worship, and politics.
Elizabeth considered herself Protestant
She was Anglican but heavily influenced by the reformers. She, however, meditated between the extremes of her brother Edward VI & her sister Mary I. The changes Edward VI wanted would have pushed England more towards the continental Protestant Reformation seen in Germany, Netherlands etc... Elizabeth I maintained many parts of England's Catholic heritage against those pressures.