Thanks Pete, that's interesting. I was asking because four generations of my direct male line have been Freemasons. In relation to the book I am writing on my family I wanted to see how low church people and their descendants would have gravitated towards Freemasonry. I can see a link in the general desire to help people in need and be part of a group.... I see some parallels in being a member of the Church that also goes out to help people. Yes the Roman Catholic Church "business model" does not want to have anything around that is out of its total control. Hence they forbid Catholic's joining. I will tell the story in my book of my fathers lodge involvement, he never went up the chain of officers. He went straight to the job of almoner which he stayed in all this life. Helping people was his priority, not ritual or status of master. I think that he got that ethic from his low church Anglican ancestors for sure. He told me a story that he remembered from his very early says in the lodge just after WW2..... This event had a big impact in him. He was in a normal closed lodge meeting in Auckland New Zealand, everything was going along, then something happened that got all the older lodge members visibly shocked and looking at each other in surprise and a little horror. There had been a loud knock at the door. The knock meant nothing to my young father, but the older Mason's had heard that knock before. It was the distinctive set of very loud bangs that could be nothing other than the arrival and request for entry of the Grand Master of Freemasonry in New Zealand, the top man.