Give not what is holy to dogs

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  1. Lowly Layman

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    One must conclude that the matter has not been thought through.

    It would seem that some retraining is required - and let me hasten to add I mean re-training of the clergy involved.

    It is not even liberal - it is quite simply demented!
     
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    Sick!
     
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    Really? How shocking. I've not heard of this before.
     
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    When I first heard about it, when it happened, it was at a Synod for the Diocese. When it was announced what the Episcopal Church and the ACiC was doing.....most of us were stunned to the point of speechless. Yes a bunch of priest speechless. As we discussed it...the next day after retiring to the bar for a beer or two....we realized it was the logical pathway for groups who abandon scripture and go through the motions. These "priests" were seminary trained. Obviously they were not trained on the Gospel, Christology or the Eucharist. The reaction of the parishes were most upsetting. They attacked the Christians for being upset with the abuse of our Lord in the Eucharist.

    Reminded me of what I saw after a Baptist Lords Supper. The leftovers were consumed by kids jostling over them behind the fellowship hall. And the pastor was also throwing the left over crackers on the ground for the dogs and birds. My consolation was that it was not the Eucharist.

    Sadly nothing the TEC or ACiC and now the CoE does shocks me anymore. I expect it now. It is in their nature. Sadly.

    Blessings

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    When Christ said " give not what is holy to dogs" he wasn't talking literally about dogs, he actually was referring to the gentiles and that the holy bread (Christ) was to be offered to the Jews first and foremost.

    However Christ died for the sins of mankind, and as far as I understand, mankind alone. So I agree, this is deplorable.
     
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    It's amazing how through all that our Lord knew the Gentiles would be the ones to anxiously receive Him, both Body and Blood.
     
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    Apostasy.
     
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    No belief or erroneous belief in the Real Presence
     
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    These absurdities - they give the very flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour - to animals, beings without immortal souls: without concern of our fear due to God. Are there not harsh words in the catechism against this? Fearing God?

    The modern churches will do what they want. They look at God and say, 'you're responsible for our sin.' I had a chat with a lady minister in the Anglican Church about this once. She told me, regarding same-sex marriage, that "the creator has to take some responsibility for His actions." I was taken aback. I almost heaved my tea.
     
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    Jesus probably didn't have our four-legged friends in mind when He said that- but it should go without saying that actual dogs should not be receiving the sacraments. One would think the clergy would unanimously understand this.
     
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    Just found it. Common Prayer, p548:

    Answer: My duty toward God is,
    To believe in Him, to fear Him, and to love Him, with all my heart, with all my mind, with all my soul, and with all my strength: to worship Him, to give Him thanks, to put my whole trust in Him, to pray to Him. To honour His holy Name and His Word: And to serve Him truly all the days of my life.

    If one is a priest, one ought to study the catechism of the Church he is a priest of.
     
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    I wonder what she expects God to say to her about this?

    "I am sorry- it turns out that my foolishness is not wiser than human wisdom"?

    Why would someone choose to serve God, while simultaneously believing that He has some explaining to do?
     
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    But doesn't the bible say to "preach the gospel to every creature"? :laugh:
     
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    The paradox presented. She blew me away. It's frightening, as she was the vicaress of a large parish.
     
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    I do this with my dog time to time lol.
     
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    The folk religion of our day tells its adherents that the dog is in a better place and that they will see it again in the hereafter, as long as they are a thoroughly Pelagian good person who does good in the community.
     
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